CTR (Europe) dead end of 2010, no Euro V compliance

[bigbadbeau]

I don't "go on" about GM. We got OT in talking about performance cars like the GTR and that's where the Corvette got brought up.

Due to the nature of EU emissions it's the 4 cylinder space that has had to develop more fuel efficent and lower emission technology. The V8 space out of the US has never been hamstrung with such restrictions. I'm sure that will change though in the future.

Take a look at the German V8s and they're almost all going to twin scroll smaller capacity V8s producing more power and torque but almost 30% more fuel efficient than their older counterparts. It's the future, no doubt.

If we compare GM with Mercedes and BMW we're talking generations in terms of technology gaps. I've driven the E63 and C63 at length and they absolutely smash any GM powered cars, but there's the cost. The GTS is $160,000 cheaper than an E63.

Try convincing consumers to spend 2.5 times more for a turbocharged 4 cylinder Golf over an equivalent Honda with conventional VTEC technology. The reason why these cars are the new trend is because they are also cost effective.

As Phillip Lee said, when you compare a Golf GTI to an EP3 you get a very different experience. The GTI is chock full of newer generation tech and the EP3 is a raw performance experience. The difference in quality is immense and I would argue that anyone here could see the difference after spending some time in a GTI.

That doesn't mean the EP3 is a bad car. It's just built to a different purpose.

i didnt say u go on about gm, i said u were goin on about how honda engines lacked development.

[m0nty]

i didnt say u go on about gm, i said u were goin on about how honda engines lacked development.

I stand by that statement. And it's proven by the CTR having to be discontinued at year end. Euro manufacturers have been building EU5 cars since 2008.

[bigbadbeau]

I stand by that statement. And it's proven by the CTR having to be discontinued at year end. Euro manufacturers have been building EU5 cars since 2008.

i wasnt disagreeing with u i was simply pointing out gm is even worse when it comes to lack of development.

[m0nty]

Well then good. We agree.

[Philip Lee]

the RX-8 has been dropped as well

but then again its a rotor

and not a GTI

don't bag the GTI. it won Wheels Car of the Year 2009 and just won Motor BFYB under $100k.

VW must be doing something right lol

[m0nty]

don't bag the GTI. it won Wheels Car of the Year 2009 and just won Motor BFYB under $100k.

VW must be doing something right lol

The Gen V won best sportscar under $55k in 2005 and got 2nd in 2006 to the R32. I would bet the house on the Golf R getting the same award this year.

BTW, you should get one.

[lukits01]

hmmm I drive both a GTi and Type-R, pretty much agree with what m0nty and philip lee are saying. Here's hoping the next type-r is a revvy petrol turbo and not a small capacity hybrid, lugging all those batteries with small capacity engine just doesn't sound fun at all. Something that can take the fight to the R26R and Focus RS. The GTi is just too perfect of an allrounder, I'd say Honda will have more luck providing an alternative rather than a head on competition.

[TypeSexy]

don't bag the GTI. it won Wheels Car of the Year 2009 and just won Motor BFYB under $100k.

VW must be doing something right lol

lol


2008 Honda Accord Euro - Wheels’ Car of the Year


seriously man. You and monty look like n00bs dissing honda and making VW seem so great

yeah i love honda's so what? im on a honda forum im going to back them up if you don't like it gtfo then

it's like you guys dont like your purchase with a honda, if you dont like it sell and get a damn gti like what monty done (not buy one sell his dc5)

just dont hover around here and try to force it into our mouths that honda's suck and gti's rule

[Time]

lol


2008 Honda Accord Euro - Wheels’ Car of the Year


seriously man. You and monty look like n00bs dissing honda and making VW seem so great

yeah i love honda's so what? im on a honda forum im going to back them up if you don't like it gtfo then

it's like you guys dont like your purchase with a honda, if you dont like it sell and get a damn gti like what monty done (not buy one sell his dc5)

just dont hover around here and try to force it into our mouths that honda's suck and gti's rule

You mad TypeSexy?

[TypeSexy]

You mad TypeSexy?

[Howie]

Hmmm... off topic ?

If the CTR we're talking about is the British made version then I say good riddance. I like the great looks and forward thinking design, but I believe Honda went against its own philosophy when they loaded the CTR with oh-so many kilos and prehistoric rear suspension articulation.

Does this mean that now the ONLY current performance Honda have is the Civic Sedan R in JDM land?

In Honda models in general and with the benefit of hindsight I could say that my old DC5R was nothing compared to a DC2R in terms of feel and experience. Sure, blame the AUDM downgraded spec but when I look at the fundamentals, i.e; Honda Stream floor-plan and FWD mac-struts I really think that the beancounters are now in full control of the boardroom. It all started going downhill once Soichiro gave up the ghost.

For the last 5 years I've heard nothing interesting from Honda's R&D and its current auto lineup shows: Stillborn NSX replacement a couple of years ago, 10 years of NO-Evolution of the S2k, Going backwards in technology for the Civic & Integra R generations, merging Prelude & Integra (when Prelude was the supreme coupe for Honda's technology)...

I still love Honda... I just won't buy a new one because there just isn't anything interesting nor competitive anymore. If I ever buy one again, I'll look through the classifieds for the 1990s B-powered Hondas. They were (and still are) the best.

[Howie]

I must admit most honda lovers are moving on as because Honda hasn't step up the game yet so sad.

Really? I never noticed...

[m0nty]

Really? I never noticed...

Said the R32 > 911 owner.

You so gangsta Howie.

[lukits01]

Does this mean that now the ONLY current performance Honda have is the Civic Sedan R in JDM land?

sadly no, FD2R was discontinued last year
so there's no more type-r at all...

[m0nty]

But there's the CR-Z.....

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Yep.


Even Toyota build more exciting cars than Honda now. Now that the FT86 is delayed I am so in for that puppy. RWD 1,100kg VVTL-i 1.6 with 9,000rpm limit and 50/50 distribution. This could be a new cult car. Please don't waine from the goal Toyota.