Civic Type R to hit Australian Shores...

[Black_Spirit]

Your comments are very "Honda" bias without considering the merits and engineering development of the SR20DET. Since you don't think there is any engineering in that, I won't bother opening up a pipe on the engine differences alone.

And the S15 detuned junk we get exported cannot be compared with a real S15. They actually produce similar power cues to an AP1/2 instead of a DC2/5 regardless. And the S15 was meant to target the Honda 2.0 Litre NA FR solution which wasn't available before.

Yes, you can laugh about the lesser engineered S15s vs. the gem pool of FF Honda handling and the magic B18/K20 blocks. But no less of a comparison, you should note the potential of the SR20DET does extend further than the B18/K20 combined.

Love Honda, yes ... But don't blind yourself with what other competitors are putting out. You often don't just compete against other Hondas, it's an open world out there.

i agreee 200%!!

and that Civic Type R Prototype, some of the angle makes it look like a demon.. especially the view from the back

[Jingers]

i like that civic type r better then the bubble hatch. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Black_Spirit]

integra is finished anyway so that doesn't matter

yeh, it doesn't really matter.. guess the point that i was trying to make, was that Honda Aust. is probaby headed a slight different direction in regards to the target audience. Because not all people out there are car enthusiasts, and they are only very minor portion of the population. They would rather target an audience that will sell their cars. However, in saying that, that stupid ad of hondas.. ("If Honda doesn't race, there is no Honda"), they really have to reinvent the NSX or the S2000 again.. something that will destroy in stock form and equally superior in aftermarket potential.

I think honda has kinda hit its limits when it comes to producing power with NA. Sure, their cars can produce well over 100hp per litre, but that's virtually the limit of the engine.. if not far from it. Where as forced inducted cars, the engines are some what bulletproof.

Fair enough insurance on forced inducted cars are gonna suck, if you want something cheap on insurance, go buy a hyundai

maintenance is gonna suck (altho can be said for any car, guess forced inducted cars are more suspectable to this), want something virtually no maintenance.. er.. get a push bike

fuel efficiency suck, go get a scooter.

its all comes down to the target audience. If they were targetting the "enthusiasts", then consumers don't care too much about insurance, fuel, maintenance, NOT saying that they won't consider it, but it won't be too much of a big deal compared to enthusiasts. Honda realistically can't keep up with the big boys, and so slowly going in a different direction..

In australia, I'd say in stock form (as pure examples and up for debate):
NSX = GTR/Evo/STi/Supra
ITR = WRX/FTO/RX8
CTR =
S2000 = Silvias

i just woke up, brain not fully functional (not that it usually is), can't think of anymore..

[Ljubo (LJ)]

wow nice topic, lots of different opinions, first of all Type S is done so honda need a replacment, what will it be?? well CTR (UK) or maybe Type R sedan which would be more likely option because it would be cheaper to import then UK model, also has better potencial for bigger sales as it can be used as family car as well, they are saying it has more power then UK CTR (165KW+), has brembo brakes ect, would be good buy for around $40k, also it would be possible to get that mugen supercharged dominator as a top spec honda, to be on same level as EVO because it makes more power than EVO so yeah, it would be possible, they have all the stuff than for this model of civic so it would be easy to import those models.

As the other car makers go I think hondas are special, I like the NA way, it could be slower than turbo models that mazda, ford, nissan have but than again it has the best "whole package" out of all of them, I don't think honda is all about stright line speed, it's hills, bends, sound and feel you get when you drive it, I dont think that other cars have that. My friend has S15, he is a bit faster than me on stright line, but other than that I kick his ass, but putting that aside, when I drove his car it doesn't have that race fell that my ITR has, it just like normal car, very soft i didn't like it at all, if I buy sports car I want that race feeling and honda is best in doing that.

[tofu]

OMG! Now that Sedan Civic Type R is AWSOME!
bring that in Honda Aus!!

[00dc2]

As the other car makers go I think hondas are special, I like the NA way, it could be slower than turbo models that mazda, ford, nissan have but than again it has the best "whole package" out of all of them, I don't think honda is all about stright line speed, it's hills, bends, sound and feel you get when you drive it, I dont think that other cars have that. My friend has S15, he is a bit faster than me on stright line, but other than that I kick his ass, but putting that aside, when I drove his car it doesn't have that race fell that my ITR has, it just like normal car, very soft i didn't like it at all, if I buy sports car I want that race feeling and honda is best in doing that.

i agree!

Its been said that honda can make over 100hp/litre but that can only get you so far.. so what?

the benefit of staying NA is throttle response and the sound and feel of the thing... i dont want to loose that just so Honda can make lazy boring Turbo engines.

Honda can take their cars further.. much further..

the next "S2000" is rumoured to be a 2.4... think of the 120hp/litre they got out of the original S2000.. 2.4*120 = 280hp = 207kW..

Making 100hp/litre or more makes Honda one of the top engine manufacturers in the world and they should not give this up.

[matt]

LJ and 00dc2 agree completely with you.

i'd rekon there would be a much greater chance of the 4door type r coming here with it being made in thailand and all.

[Vitabrits]

If it does hit the aussie shores who's planning on buying one ?

[Black_Spirit]

not me... for some reason or another, it doesn't really appeal to me
the back lights look weird..
DC5R/2R > 4dr CTR

[Ljubo (LJ)]

I could be possible buyer by the end of 2008

[lovesil]

Sorry to say these, but i don't really think alot of us over here is contributing much to the existence of the true R. Why? You might ask how many of you actually did buy a ITR / S2K / NSX brand new?? The reality of why Type R's gone, is the basic fact that not alot of sales are going through the dealership. Not saying there's none, but just not enough to justify of bringing them in. Even the watered down version of Type R isn't making that much of a sales, let alone the true R. For a true Jap Spec ITR for example, it might cost $50K, where one can pretty much get a Evo 9 with a few more extra, that will kill a ITR in everyway.

[rG`]

For a true Jap Spec ITR for example, it might cost $50K, where one can pretty much get a Evo 9 with a few more extra, that will kill a ITR in everyway.

In everyway except where it counts most, mechanical reliability.

That's something for which I would definately pay extra

[GoldCoastDC5R]

Sorry to say these, but i don't really think alot of us over here is contributing much to the existence of the true R. Why? You might ask how many of you actually did buy a ITR / S2K / NSX brand new?? The reality of why Type R's gone, is the basic fact that not alot of sales are going through the dealership. Not saying there's none, but just not enough to justify of bringing them in. Even the watered down version of Type R isn't making that much of a sales, let alone the true R. For a true Jap Spec ITR for example, it might cost $50K, where one can pretty much get a Evo 9 with a few more extra, that will kill a ITR in everyway.

I think you would be very surprised if you lined up a bone stock evo 9 vs a bone stock JDM DC5R. I think you would find that rolling start they would be about the same and also around the track it would be a very close battle. The differece is when you whack an intake and exhaust on the evo it goes from 155-160kw atw to close to 200kw at the wheels. A JDM DC5R with I/H/E and k-pro will make around 140kw (Standard) -150kw (highly tuned) On the track from my knowledge this can can compete with the evo's driver playing a varying factor aswell.

On top of this i have driven a std evo 8 and it didn't really do much for me, as others have said hondas have that "driving enjoyment" that other companies can't seem to reproduce in a stock car and on top of that they are probly the most reliable make of car on the market in their price range.

I'd love a new Civic R and as others think Honda should do the low volume import thing, i bet every car would be sold before they got here (as long as they were the full blown R not a watered down version), they underestimate the market....

[sangers]

In everyway except where it counts most, mechanical reliability.

That's something for which I would definately pay extra

and in styling - might sound wanky, but a car can be as shitfast as it wants to be, if it looks like ass, i'm not buying it.

[lovesil]

rG: i agree with you on the reliability part. N/A will always be more reliable than Turbo.

GoldCoastDC5R: I don't really agree. Base on the track Wakefield in NSW, a bone stock AUDM Evo 6.5 or 9, they can do 1:09 - 1:10. But even a "modified to match" Jap spec AUDM ITR (I/H/E, coilover, semis), would only get roughly 1:11.

sanger: styling is each to its own kinda thing.

Summary: i'm not trying to debate if a Evo is better than a R, but the fact that how many of us here, is willing to buy a brand new $50K R to ensure the existence of a R.