CTR (Europe) dead end of 2010, no Euro V compliance

[m0nty]

The FD2R was recently smashed by the Euro entrants in the BMI challenge which featured the Golf and Scirocco R. I think it had it's run as a street FWD performance car. In race mtrim I think they're a much more menacing prospect.

That's the thing. Looks are subjective. Chassis development and handling prowess are universally critiqued with similar results. If this was a beauty contest I wouldn't have even mentioned the Megane, Clio and Focus. Although in it's twilight the Megane is growing on me, especially the F1.

I don't know about this whole "rewarding" mallarky. An engine must perform in a smooth and effortless way providing immediate response for the driver, good power and torque and balance well with the chassis. I love the K20, but I find the L98 in my SS a better engine in every way. Only if I take the SS to the track could I be convinced the K20 is a more rewarding engine to drive. I can't wait to get the god awful AUDM K20 out of the Honda. It's gutless and even in my stripped out DC5 feels way too underpowered for the rest of the car.

[TypeSexy]

hey monty

whats with all the posts about vw?

i see it on jmdst as well

do you work for them?

turbo's are good for that rush of power but nothing beats having to work your gear box and engine to have a thrilling ride and lets not forget that engine note.

VW's seem dull and boring compared to any type R/S

[m0nty]

I own a Honda and Holden, have worked at VW and Mercedes and have owned Mitsubishi and Subaru in the past and would love to own a Renault Megane R26R and BMW 135i. My girlfriend owns a VW. If anyone here can be impartial to brands here it'd have to be me. I have worked in the industry for 6 years. VW build f'n good cars with some of the best tech in any cars today.

[maracer]

hey monty

whats with all the posts about vw?

i see it on jmdst as well

do you work for them?

turbo's are good for that rush of power but nothing beats having to work your gear box and engine to have a thrilling ride and lets not forget that engine note.

VW's seem dull and boring compared to any type R/S

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Back to topic, Sad to hear CTR no making the cut

[bigbadbeau]

type r's have that sense of occasion whenever u get in, i recently had to surrender my daily drive to sister, so my R is it for a bit, and man its fun to drive to work everyday. as for turbos i dont like the performance characteristics. sure they have wicked torque and urge, but im pretty sure everyone here loves that wicked smooth vtec powerband and revving the tits off a honda. mind u i like the renault clio f1 for the same reasons. but in the end, i prefer a honda, and thats what owning a car is all about. owning something u like not owning something everyone else told u to like.

[Philip Lee]

I currently own an EP3 and a Mk5 Golf GTI DSG and honestly if i can only own 1 car and have to sell the other, i will keep the Golf definitely. it's a much better car for 90% of the time for street use. it doesn't hit the same peak and satisfaction as the Type R but it more than makes up for it with the rest.

Golf is more solid, better built and quality, more advanced, can be fun and much easier to live with as a daily. Type R seems 1 dimensional in comparision but i guess that's its appeal. so i am happy that i have both.

but i do agree that Honda has lost it. as Monty said, i look at the Honda range and none is a class leader. Honda is the only manufacturer that has not recovered from the drop in sales since the GFC and is now sitting in the around 7th or 8th in terms of sale in Australia.

[spyda00]

think most car makers are going back to basic's so they can become profitable again. i'm guessing the money is in more economic and hybrid small and med cars.

when it comes to technology with engines Honda do a fantastic job simply adding a turbo is not honda's way and i can understand that.
but cant go wrong with the type r hope they release a new version

[m0nty]

when it comes to technology with engines Honda do a fantastic job simply adding a turbo is not honda's way and i can understand that.

That's the thing. They don't anymore. The technology is heavy on emissions, use more fuel than their competitors and don't have the same day to day driveability. Honda engines were cool 5 years ago and they owned 4 cylinder engines in the late 90s but their technology hasn't changed. The K24 has been run for close to 10 years now, the K20 nearly the same. look at power/fuel/emissions and they haven't moved forward in that time.

Look at the Golf engine specs...

2.0FSI 1997cc N/A 4 cylinder
110kW - 200Nm
0-100 10.2 seconds (auto)
8.6l/100kms

118TSI - 1386cc T/S 4 cylinder
118kW - 250Nm @ 2,200rpm-4,500rpm
0-100 - 8.0 seconds (DSG)
6.5l/100kms


And the K24...

K24A3 found in CL9 Accord Euro 2003-2008
Displacement: 2,354 cc
Compression: 10.5:1
Power: 140kW
Torque: 223Nm @ 4500rpm
Fuel: 9.2l/100kms

K24Z3 found in CU2 Accord Euro 2008 >
Displacement: 2,354 cc
Compression: 11.0:1
Power: 148kW
Torque: 240Nm @ 4300 rpm
Fuel 8.9l/100kms

Pretty clear cut when you're talking about development.

[Perry]

But Honda can nevar looose????

I swear the only nay sayers are Honda fanboys that haven't driven these cars.

Pez, did you ever drive a Charade Turbo? A mate of mine wound up boost on the stock turbo to 16psi and it would axle tramp 4th gear. We stripped everything bar the driver seat out of it and it was an absolute belter.

Nope Sam I can imagine the thing will fly!!!

[spyda00]

I can understand that VW group are a hard brand to beat at moment, we will have to wait and see what toyota honda etc bring out next.

i still think the 35 gtr is were my money is for the $$ vs performance how can you go wrong



the BM video is a good disply that NA is still just as good as turbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaUTJUEzDg

[m0nty]

i still think the 35 gtr is were my money is for the $$ vs performance how can you go wrong

I'd go the Corvette ZR1 over the GTR if it were actually road legal in Australia. They sell for $100,000USD. Same price as the GTR. Sure, it may fall to pieces but on a pure performance vs $$$ scenario it comes up trumps against any other road car.





We do digress though.

It's not as though VW has cornered the market though. I just feel that Honda have been left behind. I mean, emissions laws have been around for years. They knew what EU5 and EU6 standards were going to be. I'm sure they're developing new cars. I just hope they decide to finally move to direct inject powerplants. I think a high revving turbocharged 1.8 litre engine in a new S2000 platform would create another cult classic.

[spyda00]

for sure i agree its a good point, that thing does look hot

just out of interest why not road legal left hand drive or something?

[m0nty]

No one has ever bothered to compliance one. LHD shouldn't matter. I've seen a ZR6 in Hornsby before.

A fair bit would need to be done to make it "fit" with ADR. It has a 7000cc supercharged LS engine. The same block used in the W427. It's 3 seconds faster than the GTR around the Nordschleife and it doesn't have the doubt surrounding it's time like the GTR does. I want to see Porsche and Nissan have a battle at the ring after the trash talk in 2008.

[TypeSexy]

monty, buy yourself a gti and do us all a favour and get off this site

clearly you don't like Honda's anymore. Maybe because you got a below average time at the track with your track spec dc5

[m0nty]

Ignorance is bliss for retards it seems.

Jump in your car and have a go you fucking hero!

Just because this place is a Honda forum doesn't mean we have to eat sleep and shit Honda. When you understand and appreciate other cars you'll learn to appreciate the good things about Honda. What kind of fucking pathetic troglodite (you can look that up) accuses me of hating Honda when I have invested so much time and money into my car.

It's not finished, it was under prepared. I know that. At least I was there. Perhaps you can throw your car around ANY RACETRACK and then come and tell me that time was slow. Until then you're just some stupid fuck with an orange Honda that thinks that Honda cannot be faulted. Clearly based on sales you're on of the few that still thinks they're perfect.

You came after me by the way. I'm never this forthright when it comes to forums but have a go at what I've done and I'll come at you.

You and your Type S fanboy crew have been spamming this place up for over 12 months now. It used to have a great culture that appreciated ALL cars as well as Hondas. We used to have dedicated cruise days with a good bunch of members. But shit talking retards have fucked that. Maybe, you're right and the best thing is to leave. Keep waving that flag like a fucking spastic.