Buddyclub N+ vs. Cusco Zero2

[Bangz]

I realize my question is a little vague, but thats why I opened a thread to discuss it.

I dont understand what people are getting at in regards to underdampening. I've never heard this mentioned before. Your saying that if you buy any coilovers, you should just run that at the hardest setting to avoid it?

Specifically in regards to the N+, I heard they are soft. But I'm totally okay with it. How do they compare to stock DC2R and DC2 VTI-R suspension? Assumimg nothing else changed (obviously in my setup sways/struts will change though) - will it be a massive improvement on stock? Do owners of DC2R's upgrade to zero2 and Flex/BC Racing Spec, as opposed to N+?

[tinkerbell]

nah man, it is like red wine:

you are kinda asking about how much nicer to drink is a 1992 Penfolds Cabernet Sauvignon is - versus the 1994 Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Sauvignon - versus a 2007 cask of "Mixed Red"

some people like the 1992, as it is bolder and more structured - others prefer the 1994 as it is softer and more palatable...

but BOTH are much much better than a cask of red wine,

so IMO - upgrading to ANY coil-over (except maybe D2 brand?) is going to achieve a MUCH better driving experience

in deciding between the BC or Cusco or Tein or – i would recommend the entry level ones (i.e. N+) as these provide the best compromise between street/track

I hope you understand my analogy!

[hebe]

Maybe you can run some DC2R shocks if you can find some good condition ones....assuming you drive a DC2?

It won't lower the car by much but it'll do better dampening then your stock VTi-R suspension imho.

[nipnip]

Maybe you can run some DC2R shocks.

match em up with spoon or kg/mm springs and it'll lower another inch, plus it feels close to stock

[Bangz]

I think I'll just go with the N+'s. If they are too soft even when turned up for street, I'll sell them, lose $500 or so, then more track orientated ones. I'm sure N+ will be good, I just want a stable feeling, lowered daily driven DC2. Can't be any worse than my stock DC2 on King Superlows! At the moment just going through a bumpy road is actually dangerous (more bounce/bumpstops that you would believe)

[freakygeek]

you are kinda asking about how much nicer to drink is a 1992 Penfolds Cabernet Sauvignon is - versus the 1994 Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Sauvignon - versus a 2007 cask of "Mixed Red"

some people like the 1992, as it is bolder and more structured - others prefer the 1994 as it is softer and more palatable...

but BOTH are much much better than a cask of red wine,

tinker, I tend to disagree with the idea that stock DC2R suspension is like a 2007 cask of Mixed Red. (if that is indeed what you are implying - if you are talking about with King lowered springs then I might understand)

Either cask wine has come a long way since I drank it last, or you underestimate the fantastic qualities of the stock DC2R suspension.

[hebe]

tinker, I tend to disagree with the idea that stock DC2R suspension is like a 2007 cask of Mixed Red. (if that is indeed what you are implying - if you are talking about with King lowered springs then I might understand)

Either cask wine has come a long way since I drank it last, or you underestimate the fantastic qualities of the stock DC2R suspension.

cambo, I believe he has a DC2 and not an R

[tinkerbell]

[Bangz]

But will N+ definately be a major upgrade from my stock vti-r suspension? What about in comparison to my mates DC2R stock suspension?

[tofu]

of course it will be better handling wise than a stock DC2R suspension...
if it wasn't then why would they make it?
aftermarket (Brands that are proven and tested) are usually made to improve what the highest standard level of equipment...so it is safe to say it's an "upgrade" compared to a stock DC2R suspension.

[hebe]

stock DC2R sussy will be an upgrade for your DC2 sussy and N+ will also be an upgrade option as well but obviously N+ will provide better dampening, stiffness adjustibility etc... whereas stock DC2R sussy cannot be adjusted...but it is quite good for what you pay.

[freakygeek]

of course it will be better handling wise than a stock DC2R suspension...

Really? Better handling in what way? "Better handling" is seldom a "better in every aspect" type of thing...

if it wasn't then why would they make it?

To make money? To sell to people who blindy believe that the product they are buying is better than the one they have because otherwise they wouldn't make it?

aftermarket (Brands that are proven and tested) are usually made to improve what the highest standard level of equipment...so it is safe to say it's an "upgrade" compared to a stock DC2R suspension.

Is it safe to say that? Would it not be better to say that the product is designed to suit the requirements of a certain type of customer but is not for everybody? "Upgrade" is an interesting concept.

I'm not trying to have a go at you, I just think that this whole idea of "of course it's better, why would they make it otherwise" is a poor way of thinking. There are PLENTY of products out there made for our cars which are total shit and not worth wasting money on... not saying these suspensions are necessarily one of these things but be wary is all..

[tinkerbell]

cam, let it go man...

we all know this is a performance forum,

aimed at performance.


we care not for NVH - or what wifes think.

i know my 12k/8k set-up can provide a very high level of handling on even the most notorious back roads...

the DC2R is a compromise, *just* tuned enough to provide sporty handling, but *just* comfortable enough to provide a acceptable comfort level.

i think it is safe to say that UPgrading to proper coilovers will provide better handling in a performance scenaro.

yes, EVEN in rain...

[tinkerbell]

But will N+ definately be a major upgrade from my stock vti-r suspension?

yes.

What about in comparison to my mates DC2R stock suspension?

yes.

[fueltank]

The funny thing was I didn't even think Tinkerbell's suspension was all that stiff