New civic R $39990?

[Jingers]

wtf? What happened to factual comments within CITR.

Most of you guys cant comment becuase you havent even driven one on the street let alone a track. Take it to a track. Track times are also really nothing to be proud of too. If you want fast track times buy a evo. That is not why you buy a type r for i believe.

So track times are really quite useless "for a stock driving expeirence".

Lets say that the CTR is indeed slower, but it is a more enjoyable drive. Does this make the CTR a proper type r? Yes i believe so.

[chuck]

"You dont buy a Type R for the track... and times are nothing to be proud of." So all that effort is for nothing? I think it's time for me to leave this forum.

[narada]

haha i agree with jing... if laptimes are most important then go buy an evo.. or a race car

but really at the end of the day its about enjoyment of your car.. the driving experience

from what i have read the new FN2 is best when going 10-10ths and most rewarding that way and mediocre otherwise... just like other type Rs

but until i drive one i wont really comment... i think it looks nice though

[JCE]

For somebody like Chuck who can actually drive his car to the limit, feel, understand and enjoy every input the car is giving to him, the AUDM Civic Type R is justifiably a disgrace to the "Type R" moniker.

Chuck is doing lap times in his stock suspension, stock engined ITR that are in cases several tenths of a second slower (although most of the times faster) than guys who have spent upwards of $80,000 on their type r's.

Honda released the "Type R" series created the car for a purpose, and marketed it to a specific audience.

Honda UK and Honda Australia have morphed/twisted the purpose and intent of the car and have changed the demographic that the original Type R was intended for.

Call it a type S, or a Civic sport, but the new Civic Type R, is a Type R in name only.

[JCE]

The thing has a solid beam rear axle.

My ride on lawn mower has a more advanced suspension that that.

[tinkerbell]

"You dont buy a Type R for the track... and times are nothing to be proud of." So all that effort is for nothing? I think it's time for me to leave this forum.

nah, jsut time to lay down the "old school" definition of "TypeR"

even wikipedia says it is so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_R

The design of Type R ("R" for "Racing") models was originally focused on race conditions, with an emphasis on minimizing weight, and maximizing performance potential (e.g. engine tuning, suspension set-up, etc). Thus, Type R models were first conceived for racetracks. However, due to Honda's increased focus on their highly regarded VTEC engines, the Type R was eventually designed for a much wider market.

sorry to say, but your understanding of "TypeR" has been supersceded by Honda's desire to sell more cars to more people and make more money...

it is sad, but true.

pelase - there is no need to get upset by the fact that others don't share your passion...

[JCE]

thanh prove them wrong and do waht im doing to the civic R......

strip strip and get it to 1000kg
...........

How does modifying the car change the fact that the model you started with was still inferior?

I could strip my CRX, get it to weigh 750 kg, slap in a 200kw K20a, give the car to somebody that can drive and put down track times that would most probably be quicker than most INSERT DC2/DC5 on this forum.

All of this from a car that was designed in 1987. TWENTY YEARS AGO.

[tinkerbell]

than guys who have spent upwards of $80,000 on their type r's.

who/how can you spend 80 grand on a DC2?

methinketh you exagerate slightly?

i have spent $15K on my (non-TypeR) car and it beats most modified turbo'd cars on the track...

[JCE]

nah, jsut time to lay down the "old school" definition of "TypeR"

even wikipedia says it is so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_R



sorry to say, but your understanding of "TypeR" has been supersceded by Honda's desire to sell more cars to more people and make more money...

it is sad, but true.

pelase - there is no need to get upset by the fact that others don't share your passion...

Amen.

Honda has sold out.

The $$$$ is the deciding factor again.

[tinkerbell]

this thread will go nowhere if you guys keep comparing apples to oranges to bananas...

[JCE]

who/how can you spend 80 grand on a DC2?

methinketh you exagerate slightly?

i have spent $15K on my (non-TypeR) car and it beats most modified turbo'd cars on the track...

I ask the following as a purely objective question, and intend no disrespect at all. No e-penis fighting here.

Can you compare your lap times to chuck's (or freakygeek's if he would get off his arse and track his car more) at Eastern Creek / Oran Park / Wakefield etc.

How much faster are the highly modified type r's in this forum?
From the times I have seen most of them are barely faster, if at all.

You have spent $15,000 in parts on your car.
Have you done most of the work on your car yourself, how much is your time worth an hour?

The point I am making is a DC2 Type R is such a well setup package from the showroom floor, a good driver can do similar times as people who have spent large sums of money and time on a similar chassis.

[Jingers]

How does modifying the car change the fact that the model you started with was still inferior?

I could strip my CRX, get it to weigh 750 kg, slap in a 200kw K20a, give the car to somebody that can drive and put down track times that would most probably be quicker than most INSERT DC2/DC5 on this forum.

All of this from a car that was designed in 1987. TWENTY YEARS AGO.

no you couldnt james.

That is the thing. Of course if you were comparing the civic stripped and the dc5 stripped it would only be fair to compare them in the same state.

IN this case the civic stripped would net you more results as the extra wieght is on some of the seats and equip.

YOu get what i am saying?

If you full stripped both cars, the civic will still have better results. Dc5 also has no tar already

[Jingers]

Anyways, relax a little guys.

Forum = place to share ideas.

Just becuase you dont like a particular car you dont have to shoot it down. Yes its a disgrace that we didnt get the jap one, its also a disgrace that it doesnt come in a CW color but really all you are sounding like is a bunch of whinging nannies. Be happy we got one, and dont be ungrateful. The days of the dc2 are over, if you love it so much keep it untill you die. Simple as that

Whilst for people who are daring enough to maybe accept that change is in the winds and accept something new and maybe enjoy the overall driving expeirence on and off the track. I am sure you will find something to like in the new Civic R

In relationship to the torsion beam suspension, you and we know that honda engineers > us. Unless you can prove that a similarly specced car running double mcpherond strut shit ma gig clocked a 1 second faster time at wakefield i wouldn't shoot it down yet.

[Jingers]

The point I am making is a DC2 Type R is such a well setup package from the showroom floor, a good driver can do similar times as people who have spent large sums of money and time on a similar chassis.

Pointless comment James. Der of course a better driver can extract better times from the stock car compared to a heavily modified dc2r with average driver.

But what happens when you put a better driver in the heavily modified car? In the end you are introducing driver/car factor to confuse things. We are talking cars only so lets keep it to cars only. And on this subject. Heavily modified > stock *espicially if the better driver is setting it up properly*. Fucking no doubt about it LOL.......

[Jingers]

How does modifying the car change the fact that the model you started with was still inferior?

I could strip my CRX, get it to weigh 750 kg, slap in a 200kw K20a, give the car to somebody that can drive and put down track times that would most probably be quicker than most INSERT DC2/DC5 on this forum.

All of this from a car that was designed in 1987. TWENTY YEARS AGO.

how is the base car inferior if you stripped it? YOu mean the 150% stiffer chassis compared to the dc2? Inferior?