New civic R $39990?

[chuck]

I would rather a light car... with air bags, crumple zones and stiff chassis. The easiest way to get performance is weight loss, it helps acceleration AND braking AND Cornering. Your rubber has to do less work. Your brakes have to do less work. Weight compounds on itself, the heavier the car, the heavier the brakes, etc.

Frankly, the 2007 AUDM Civic is not even an equal to the 2001 JDM EP3. It weighs more, has less power and no LSD. I cannot get excited over this car, I think the best comparison is the Honda Sportivo one...

[slipangle]

I would rather a light car... with air bags, crumple zones and stiff chassis. The easiest way to get performance is weight loss, it helps acceleration AND braking AND Cornering. Your rubber has to do less work. Your brakes have to do less work. Weight compounds on itself, the heavier the car, the heavier the brakes, etc.

Hallelujah! seconded.

[totti]

so the new AUDM CTR has no LSD?

[Page]

I would rather a light car... with air bags, crumple zones and stiff chassis. The easiest way to get performance is weight loss, it helps acceleration AND braking AND Cornering. Your rubber has to do less work. Your brakes have to do less work. Weight compounds on itself, the heavier the car, the heavier the brakes, etc.

Frankly, the 2007 AUDM Civic is not even an equal to the 2001 JDM EP3. It weighs more, has less power and no LSD. I cannot get excited over this car, I think the best comparison is the Honda Sportivo one...

I agree totally!! The comment i made was at the comment "why are car heavier why carn't they make them lighter"

[hebe]

so the new AUDM CTR has no LSD?

Sure doesn't!

[chuck]

I agree totally!! The comment i made was at the comment "why are car heavier why carn't they make them lighter"

It still doesn't make sense to make it so heavy. It's at least 200kg more than a DC2R. These `hatches' are starting to weigh what family cars weigh. Honda have attempted to overcome this by giving it a 5.062 FD, which will help but that doesn't fix cornering and braking. To me, a Type R should be stripped out and light, otherwise it's a Type S.

Honda Marketers are making this car, not Honda engineers.

DC2R 7.7kg/kw
JDM EP3 7.4kg/kw
07 CTR 9kg/kw

I hope it's a great car and a great drive, but on paper it's starting on the wrong foot.

[tinkerbell]

I hope it's a great car and a great drive, but on paper it's starting on the wrong foot.

148kW

193Nm

1345kg

0-100 in 6.6 seconds


something in this equation doesnt fit...???

[tinkerbell]

actually someone on ozhonda pointed out it's actually not 1345kg...
it's like 1264kg or something.

so honda is wrong?

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...pecifications/

or was the ozhonda poster referring to the JDM type r? (i.e. is ozhonda is wrong?)

EDIT: can anyone find out for sure?

[tinkerbell]

EDIT: can anyone find out for sure?

ahhh, so we are getting the GT version:

Also available will be a fully-equipped GT version, with additional features such as cruise control, dual zone air conditioning, fog lights, automatic lights and wipers and curtain SRS bags.

the "LARDASS" version i guess...

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/civic_type-r.asp

[tofu]

so honda is wrong?

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...pecifications/

or was the ozhonda poster referring to the JDM type r? (i.e. is ozhonda is wrong?)

EDIT: can anyone find out for sure?

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...vic_typer.html

3rd paragraph

[chuck]

148kW

193Nm

1345kg

0-100 in 6.6 seconds


something in this equation doesnt fit...???

148kW - 1 more than a 2001 Dc5R and 6 less than 2006 Type S. No progress to me in 6 years! Or am I being too picky?

193Nm - apparently it is more torquey down low and combined with 5.062 FD the engineers have tried to overcome extra weight. Still paltry compared to its turbo opposition.

1345Kg - you tell me! Much better if it is the 1267 listed on evo's site.

0-100 6.6 - I don't care for 0-100 times, but it is possible it could do it in 6.6 with the low gearing and extra torque, but I'm very dubious at the moment.

I dont care for 0-100, but I do care for LSD and low weight, which it lacks. I just can't accept the fact it's a Type R without an LSD. Maybe I will eat my words.

Regarding LSD comparison, drive an s14 no LSD, then a S15 with LSD and you will understand the huge difference. Even more so with a FWD car trying to overcome torque steer.

[chuck]

BTW, these were my equations

DC2R 7.7kg/kW
JDM EP3 7.4kg/kW
07 CTR 9kg/kW

What do you think of the 9kg/kW? Not a concern to you if it's a good drive?

[ChargeR]

1345 kg is massive for a car of that size. It might be a good drive by itself but get it out on a circuit versus a DC2 or DC5 and it might start to look a bit weak.

And the 6.6 0-100 is fairly hard to believe also in a car that is at least nearly 100kgs heavier than a dc5r with no air con.

On another note my father called me up the other day to tell me that his mate who is a Honda dealer has just recieved a demonstrator, I'll tell him to take it for a test drive and find a weigh bridge .

[hebe]

JDM EP3 ftw

[tofu]

hmm, i'm thinking about buying an EP3R too...