Appalled on how we car enthusiasts are portrayed

[Didz]

I think the owners of the race tracks should promote more as well, by showing that the track is the best alternative. Or at least a joint advertisement with the police to promote road safety and alternative racing venues. I am yet to see a T.V ad during prime time showing this.

The current anti-hoon ad is hopeless.

i 100% agree. there is either:

• not enough race tracks
• not enough incentive for using race tracks (ie: too far away, too costly etc..)
• not enough promotion on taking it off the streets

From my point of view, it looks like the government wants this to happen for more revenue. the police hate it and i can understand from their perspective that people die and they are the ones to give the bad news.

[scheung]

gayness......

[Time]

Not even going to talk about it from a today tonight bs perspective or whatever tv show crying about it.

Thinking about it from a Gov point of view, i doubt they would want to promote any sort of speeding / racing etc.. Sure we get a small portion of car enthusiasts that are complete cocks(hoon's). If you look at it from a gov point of view, increasing the number of car enthusiasts will likely increase the number of hoons.

And you might even get a super breed of hoon, one that drives on the track and then applies it to the street in a track modified car etc etc

They know that by making it look bad they have a good chance of reducing the occurrences. by creating the negative vibe they influence your family and friends who then look at you bad... BS but yep just throwing out the other side

Sucks to be a car enthusiast about now

[m0nty]

To be honest, it's not worth wasting your breath. I know one of the Today Tonight producers and they simply won't change their reporting style because it rates.

I'm a strong advocate of training people correctly. With proper education on our roads in the form of driver training and more heavily regulated license requirements and car restrictions these idiots will be eliminated from our streets thanks to evolution.

Failing that, just make sure that you do everything you can to make the roads a safer place. The soap box has long since died a miserable death.

[ChargeR]

To be honest, it's not worth wasting your breath. I know one of the Today Tonight producers and they simply won't change their reporting style because it rates.

I'm a strong advocate of training people correctly. With proper education on our roads in the form of driver training and more heavily regulated license requirements and car restrictions these idiots will be eliminated from our streets thanks to evolution.

Failing that, just make sure that you do everything you can to make the roads a safer place. The soap box has long since died a miserable death.

I agree with this guy. The onus is on each of us to not do anything that would reflect poorly on our hobby, and let natural selection take the rest. No amount of bawwing at the media is going to alter the fact that these people exist and that they should be shot before they breed.

[Didz]

it's all good and well to say we wont do it and let natural selection take its course but consider what the police officer in the video clip said.

"It's not only their safety im worried about, its my kids and close family and friends"

The fact of the matter is people have been hoons ever since cars were readily available. the onyl way to stop it is to force it and even then, it will still occur.

People need propper training at the very least.

[tinkerbell]

i get more upset by this sort of thing:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006009,00.html

much more damaging to my image than the any TT portrayal of street racers...

[tinkerbell]

People need propper training at the very least.

pls see DT article above

[Q_ball]

LOL @ this thread...

i 100% agree. there is either:

• not enough race tracks
• not enough incentive for using race tracks (ie: too far away, too costly etc..)
• not enough promotion on taking it off the streets

From my point of view, it looks like the government wants this to happen for more revenue. the police hate it and i can understand from their perspective that people die and they are the ones to give the bad news.

Perhaps, but end of the day (in sydney anyways), people are tight asses...
New licence holders are tight asses.
Its a generalisation yes, but it does ring true for a large portion of people.

To be honest, it's not worth wasting your breath. I know one of the Today Tonight producers and they simply won't change their reporting style because it rates.

That, IS the underlying factor.
Ratings.
The truth can be too boring to publish and air at times, so they have to spice it up to meet the needs of businesses and the goverment alike.
I see this shit happen and get brainstormed everyday working in the media industry.

I agree with this guy. The onus is on each of us to not do anything that would reflect poorly on our hobby, and let natural selection take the rest. No amount of bawwing at the media is going to alter the fact that these people exist and that they should be shot before they breed.

I agree with this guy too

[milkman]

Sensationalised television sells, the truth doesn't.

[macoman69]

i get more upset by this sort of thing:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006009,00.html

much more damaging to my image than the any TT portrayal of street racers...

If you go down and look at some of the peoples comments. Its comments like this that piss me off.

"Another example of too much power on a young shoulder. Dont allow our future to drive vehicles that have so much grunt. These kids are killing themselves quicker by cars then dope or ice. It sounds bizaar but put them into a little lawn mower care until they are 25 years old then upgrade that to a 1.4 motor and then upgrade to the higher size motors. Let them learn slowly. It might pee them off because they cant do donuts and street race, but it will reduce deaths on the road."

Some ppl are just so fuckin stupid. Vehicles with so much grunt....the guy could have hit a pot hole or slipped on some debris or oil how the hell does she know. Killing themselves quicker than drugs....yeah clap clap nana....im pretty sure if i looked at deaths by overdose and deaths of under 25 year olds in a car accident im pretty sure there would be way more drug related deaths. (Not to mention that im pretty sure that the death toll for people under 21 also includes children that dont even drive...funny that the media forgets to mention that bit) Oh yeah and half the deaths of under 25's where children passengers that where killed because of the negligent 30+ year old driving under the influence of alcohol.

The more i read this womans comment the more i think she is on crack herself. yep lets just restrict all under 25 year olds to a lawn mower.....im glad she isnt infront of me id slap her on the forehead and say you are a moron. How many ppl do you see that are of an older age driving around hooning around in their big V8's. How many times have i been driving around and shit my pants because I know the lady beside me infront of me and behind me are the age of 100+ cant see over the steering wheel and have no fuckin idea what they are doing. driving at 80km/h in a 100km/h...fact is its actually more dangerous to drive way under the speed limit and hold up traffic then to drive a little over and flow with traffic.

Some people think they sound smart....in the end your a moron who is probably one of those ppl who think they are a good driver because they drive 30km/h under the speed limit and pose themselves a danger to everyone else around them.

PS. Im not defending those peasants on today tonight.....they are morons....but unfortunately monty is right. media will go to air on whatever gets ppl angry and annoyed. And there is probably nothing better to get rating than the hoon. Ive thought about it numerous times....how can descent drivers who are responsible and actually dont act moronic and idiotic and crazy on the road show and tell the media and prove to them we are not all the same. But it wont work you know why.....because nobody wants to hear or justify it because they cant justify spending money on a car so they cant relate and also it doesnt give good ratings.

End Rant......WHOOOOOSSAAAAAAAA

[tinkerbell]

Killing themselves quicker than drugs....yeah clap clap nana....

usually, deaths from drugs are actually less than deaths from MVA:


(http://www.drugfree.org.au/fileadmin...latedStats.pdf)
VS


(http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...Stats_2007.pdf)
(macoman - if you can find the u/25 stats - please feel free to contradict the implication of the above two tables)

no more rants or personal attacks please.

keep it factual and this discussion topic might be useful...

[macoman69]

ok sorry lets become a little more specific.
I was singling out u/25 drivers and passengers because the woman making the comment was singling out drivers killing themselves. But even if we do the whole nation in 2007 to the drug deaths in 2004 the number of motor vehicle deaths with driver and passenger excluding all others is still less (That is also with people of all ages and passengers of all ages, Im sure the number would be quite a bit lower if it was just a table of u/25 drivers). And this isnt an assumption because we know all know we have heard on the radio on the news about a p-plater being killed in an accident.

Not to mention that drugs are being used alot more frequently than they where 3 years ago.

Edit: Also i forgot to mention that if you want to include all motoring accidents which was 1616 deaths in Australia compared to 1388 drug related. Why not make it fair and calculate deaths incurred onto others by people under the influence of drugs. Im sure then you would get quite a different answer.

Btw i know you say no personal attacks but i really doubt nanna is going to be logging onto clubitr anytime soon.

[Didz]

the STUPID thing about this is, the majority of drivers who get heir car impounded are between the ages of 30 and 50 and the minority to be p platers and under 2

and macoman, if u wanna be like that why dont we include alcohol to the drug related deaths and watch the results skyrocket. U can't go willynilly and say "oh lets include this". The fact of the matter is, people have always been hoons. that TT story only showed young people for a reason, it sells.

Also what evidence do u have to shw that drugs are being used a lot more? you dont think it could be due to a population increase? What factors are u taking into account if u wanna be specific.

This is not an attack at you, i just disagree with u.

Also in regards to the kid taking an advanced driver training course, im not talking about the entry level one, im talking about the one which actually teaches u how to get out of very dangerous situations (level 2 and 3 courses usually)

[macoman69]

and macoman, if u wanna be like that why dont we include alcohol to the drug related deaths and watch the results skyrocket. U can't go willynilly and say "oh lets include this". The fact of the matter is, people have always been hoons. that TT story only showed young people for a reason, it sells.

Also what evidence do u have to shw that drugs are being used a lot more? you dont think it could be due to a population increase? What factors are u taking into account if u wanna be specific.

If your talking about drug and alcohol related deaths when driving a motor vehicle well then wouldnt they still be a statistic because it is a motor vehicle deaths count. Just because they where drunk or under the influence of drugs doesnt exclude them because in the end they where still driving a motor vehicle. So im pretty sure that even if they where drunk or on drugs at the time they would still be included in the statistics that tinks posted up.

Fair enough I have no evidence to back up the claim of drugs being used alot more. But the fact that our poppulation is growing exponentially every year with people coming into the country and kids becoming teenagers etc. We have all seen the number of emo/goth/raver increase. Just walk through the city in the middle of the day and have a look. Im not saying that all people aassociated with those sorts of social groups take drugs but it seems to be the younger generation in clubs etc that are mostly linked to it.

But yeah didz im not attacking you either but what you said isnt true because even if they where under the influence of drugs or alcohol while in a car accident it would still be included as a statistic because in the end they where in operation of a motor vehicle.