Type R shamed on the circuit

[lukits01]

Twist beam rear suspension on the FN2 is not exactly the same as traditional Torsion Beam rear suspension anyway. You could call it "Semi" independent rear suspension, was told it's one of the reasons the rally teams prefer the FN chassis over the FD for rally use. (Shorter wheelbase being another one of them) Here's hoping for CR-Z in the WRC!

I wonder why there's no FD2 in BTCC as well, don't see anything in the rules preventing FD2Rs from entering. Privateers moving away from DC5Rs as well, sad to see the Honda field thinning out.

[cupnoodle]

Hahaha that's gold. What a piece of shit car.

[poeter]

Yes, the fn2 may not qualify as a Type R but it's unfairly bashed by the many type r fans.

I still think it's a good car. Comparing it to my EP3, I quite like the fn2's style and interior. Just as fish said. It's targeted at people who love Hondas but couldn't live with the harhness of the real Type R.

Also, just as Adrian mentioned, it's got good potential when tuned.

[honda-lover]

What does a turbo charged, race Civic with roll cage and sequential box, have anything to do with a factory Civic that we buy from the dealer?

How many of us have CTRs that are in this kind of race spec when driving down to Maccas?

[cordz]

yes but it shouldn't be branded a Type R. it's a car made for yuppies who like to pose in a new car but couldn't afford a real performance car so had to settle for a hatch of some kind.

who give a rats about the FN2? it's a slow car that's simply been put in its place.

x2, this car is made, branded and distributed from the UK. The real civic type R resides in the japanese only release of the FD2R (edited) which is quite a astonishing car. If your willing to find out, watch this and all you type R enthusiasts can let out a nice long winded sigh.

http://youtu.be/ndaUTJUEzDg (DC2 makes an appearance!)

I also think the angry egg R is simply a cash grab utilising the history and homage of the R badge. No LSD, no IRS, I would NEVER buy one. sorry to any egg owners out there

[michaelz]

The Japanese sedan based Civic Type R's code is FD2. Agreed though, it's a very impressive car and worthy of the R emblem.

[Fish]

I also think the angry egg R is simply a cash grab utilising the history and homage of the R badge. No LSD, no IRS, I would NEVER buy one.

Sorry to blow ur bubble but all FN2R since Jun 09 has LSD standard. thats quite a long time to be ignorant.

Just everyone is still stuck up on Clarkson's over the top impressions and never bothered to form an opinion themselves. How many of you has honestly driven a FN2R before forming your opinions? I'd say less than 1/2 of you have driven one or even sat in one. Some of you will have driven one, think its crap, thats fine, just means its not the right car for you. But everyone I know thats driven/sat in one has not been so extremely displeased with it as the comments I've seen here.

FD2R is pretty much a race car for the road, FN2R is a sporty hatch. Love it or hate it, its pretty much fact. I would love a FD2R myself, don't get me wrong, I love that car and what is stands for, but I just feel theres so many ignorant people bashing things they clearly know little to nothing about.

its just like people saying all performance car drivers are hoons without even understanding the culture.

[jyh883]

Sorry to blow ur bubble but all FN2R since Jun 09 has LSD standard. thats quite a long time to be ignorant.

Just everyone is still stuck up on Clarkson's over the top impressions and never bothered to form an opinion themselves. How many of you has honestly driven a FN2R before forming your opinions? I'd say less than 1/2 of you have driven one or even sat in one. Some of you will have driven one, think its crap, thats fine, just means its not the right car for you. But everyone I know thats driven/sat in one has not been so extremely displeased with it as the comments I've seen here.

FD2R is pretty much a race car for the road, FN2R is a sporty hatch. Love it or hate it, its pretty much fact. I would love a FD2R myself, don't get me wrong, I love that car and what is stands for, but I just feel theres so many ignorant people bashing things they clearly know little to nothing about.

its just like people saying all performance car drivers are hoons without even understanding the culture.

Well said mate

[e240]

FD2R is pretty much a race car for the road, FN2R is a sporty hatch. :

I think thats the point that's being argued here - a Hot Hatch is not in the spirit of a Type R.

But seriously, who cares...you pays the money, you buys the stuff yous like - bugger what everyone else thinks....

[Fish]

Honda must have a different feel to whats a Type R than what your debating here?

What about the Accord type r? Accord Euro type R? these are 100% from JDM land and are certainly NOT race cars on the road. and dare i say the AUDM DC5R is not a race car on the road either (I owned an AUDM DC5R for 2 years, its not what I would class as a race car) So according to you, None of these should have the type R associated with them yet they are generally accepted? hmm

[SpoonS]

type s > type r

[cordz]

Sorry to blow ur bubble but all FN2R since Jun 09 has LSD standard. thats quite a long time to be ignorant.

Just everyone is still stuck up on Clarkson's over the top impressions and never bothered to form an opinion themselves. How many of you has honestly driven a FN2R before forming your opinions? I'd say less than 1/2 of you have driven one or even sat in one. Some of you will have driven one, think its crap, thats fine, just means its not the right car for you. But everyone I know thats driven/sat in one has not been so extremely displeased with it as the comments I've seen here.

FD2R is pretty much a race car for the road, FN2R is a sporty hatch. Love it or hate it, its pretty much fact. I would love a FD2R myself, don't get me wrong, I love that car and what is stands for, but I just feel theres so many ignorant people bashing things they clearly know little to nothing about.

its just like people saying all performance car drivers are hoons without even understanding the culture.

Point well said, i haven't sat in one, nor did i know it copped a LSD recently and i apologise for being so bigoted and blunt.

But i am conveying the fact as said by e240, that the the type R badge isn't really justified by the FN2. The DC2, NSX and to a lesser extent DC5 all had been relentlessly engineered to produce a car far more capable than what paper would suggest, DC2 met factory hand ported headwork, perfect weight distribution and perfectly calibrated suspension, the NSX-R was a relevation beyond - BOTH cars made the UK evo top 10 drivers cars alongside the pagoni zonda, porsche GT3 RS and Mclaren F1. T

To me this represents the excitement and passion i feel when i see a red honda badge.

A quote from the FD2R mega test (youtube linki posted) Kiechi T said himself a type R "is a race car for the road" and ignoring things such as IRS, or till 09, a LSD lets a FWD car be exactly the opposite.

I understand your opinion and im sure the Egg is still a fine car for its money, but even without being in one can i forward this question:

in history's path of the development and engineering for the DC2 and NSX, does it deserve the red honda badge from japan?

P.S sorry for being a arse before "i would NEVER buy one" is a shallow and uninformed comment

[tinkerbell]

if you guys take yourself back to the OP, then you will agree this thread is about the Civic Type R being shamed "in its natural environment"

i think the Accord R, the Euro R, and the AUDM DC5R would suffer a similar fate...

and this is backed up by the Wikipedia entry on the "Type R

The design of Type R models was originally focused on race conditions, with an emphasis on minimizing weight, and maximizing performance potential (e.g. engine tuning, suspension set-up).

Thus, Type R models were first conceived for racetracks. However, due to Honda's increased focus on their highly regarded VTEC engines, the Type R was eventually designed for a much wider market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Type_R


so the answer is that the designation "Type R" has changed... and no longer stands for what it used to...

and that is sad for some, but others don't care...

[Fish]

Can't argue with Tinkerbell, thats pretty much spot on.
Honda has take "Type R" branding in a much broader direction over time.

There's so much rumours of whether "Type R" branding will die off or move onto forced induction like its competitors. Either way will unfortunately upset a different market of Type R fans.