Type R shamed on the circuit

[maracer]

Honda has lost the plot the type r name has been so diluted i doubt i will ever buy another, it was all about the recaros , momo steering wheel , light weight , lsd strut bars and no accessories a true performance oriented car not these overweight over gizmoed soft design excercises, ive had my dc2r for 11 years now nothing compares , i was even disappointed in the dc5r missed out on a lot of the JDM stuff and got too big and heavy i just laugh at the new civic .

Yep DC2R is where it all started......and they just went down from there

I took this civic for a drive when it first got released and was disappointed. I was also quite amused that Honda claimed a 0-100 time of 6.8 seconds, same as the DC5R. I was also amused at the salesman telling me that the civic "Would beat my car, it's heaps faster"

I personally loved how it drove on the road and the interior is very nice. I don't mind the look of the exterior either. But as far as i'm concerned, it's not like the previous and current type R's out there. There is sound deadening and extra weight, it comes with AC and climate control as standard, it also should be noted that it does not come with Type R accessories as standard. That's right, no type R decals or mats, just the badge.

But you need to keep this in perspective. If the JDM civic Type R came to Aus, it would cost in the vicinity of 60k. Most aussies would not buy a civic for 60k. Most aussies would also not appreciate the harsh ride and this was proven with the DC5R. Honda brought out the Type S for aus with retuned suspension and a softer interior because the Aussie market did not appreciate the harshness of a Type R.

I tell you now, my next sports car will probably be the FT-86 rather than any Honda. Purely because Honda Australia will not bring a proper alternative to this country.

If you wan't a real type r, find someone in NZ or JP or HK to let you store it for a year at their house. After owning one for a year you can privately import it here and then you will have your precious, real type r.

The FN2R is great car just of the show room floor....unlike the DC5S!

the FN2R is like 200kg over weight

I also believe it's now 2years ownership in JP?

[Karl]

Next car S2000

[mzk2b]

IMO all Type R were simply machines but damn the FN2 .... something wrong happened there

[michaelz]

it's a honda jazz with a fancy body + K20.

[TODA AU]

Am I missing something here?
Maybe all BTCC cars are just really slow???
http://www.btcc.net/html/generalnews_detail.php?id=2398

FN2... So slow? Yet a championship leader & last years winner...
Weird huh...

Maybe as a standard car they're not the greatest...
but spend some money in the right places & they're a bloody good thing against all comers in their class...

More motorsport results from the ugly duckling
http://www.jasmotorsport.com/en/NewsNew.aspx?Aut=91
http://www.jasmotorsport.com/en/News...?Id=134&Aut=91

Maybe journalists really don't know what they're on about.
Or they think people actually race cars as they are from the showroom.
Pffttt

[e240]

My Dc2r's faster.. :-P

[m0nty]

I have followed BTCC for years Adrian. The DC5 privateers were faster for a very long time. Seat dominated too. You also know BTCC is nothing like the street. The BTCC runs modified custom geometry. No torsion beam rear to be seen anywhere. A V8 Supercar isn't really a taxi, nor are BTCC cars really FN2s. Or do we think the Holden Cruze is the best tin top FWD race car in the world?

[DC2R]

ive had my dc2r for 11 years now nothing compares , i was even disappointed in the dc5r missed out on a lot of the JDM stuff and got too big and heavy i just laugh at the new civic .

wow 11 years thats dedication. I've had mine for 9 years!! Fkn love it...

[felixR]

wow 11 years thats dedication. I've had mine for 9 years!! Fkn love it...

8 year anniversary very soon for me.. best car!!

[freakygeek]

I had my first for 8 years, and bought another when it got taken from me by a stupid woman not giving way on a roundabout.

DC2R for life!

[Fish]

wow there is just so much hate for the FN2R
i dont think the FN2R ever claimed or was designed to be the fastest type R (maybe the dodgy car sales guy did but who trusts them?) no one can argue about that! that crown already goes to the FD2RR hands down
maybe my tastes have changed as i've grown, I am started to grow out of "pure performance cars"

After my DC5R, i wanted something more performance oriented.
Went for the good old Evo6, incredible performance, however ride comfort was crap, interior was trash, and all the performance potential i cant use on 50-60kph roads with speed cams ready send you a letter saying how lovely your car looked. purely performance isn't my top priority any more. its jsut not sensible for a street car.

with the FN2R, its a more relaxed drive, comfortable daily yet can have lots fun when you want whether it be on the track or twisties. for me its not so much about hardcore best time track performance. its about a good compromise of fun/comfort/performance/safety. and for me the FN2 is a good compromise hence why i own one now.

i agree with adrian about the tuning capability, there's a video of the Spoon FN2R vs all the tuner FD2R and it clearly performed on similar levels with FD2Rs on the field, will you write off all those FD2R as slow as well?

maybe honda has made a terrible marketing strategy for the Type R branding, but i'd have to say most car buyers do not value only performance/lap time of a car these days.

well maybe my place in enthusiast forums are limited now that there seems to be so much hate towards different tastes in cars even within the own brand.

I'm prob gona get flamed
but i'm just out defending something i love, like you all would if someone talked crap about your beloved DC2R/EP3R/DC5R/S2k etc so think about how you would feel =] (i know we all cop alot of flak from the turbo boys at times)

[tinkerbell]

wow there is just so much hate for the FN2R

no, just 'more love' for other things...

[TODA AU]

I have followed BTCC for years Adrian. The DC5 privateers were faster for a very long time. Seat dominated too. You also know BTCC is nothing like the street. The BTCC runs modified custom geometry. No torsion beam rear to be seen anywhere. A V8 Supercar isn't really a taxi, nor are BTCC cars really FN2s. Or do we think the Holden Cruze is the best tin top FWD race car in the world?

LOL, I'm well aware that BTCC is nothing like a street car,
But that was my point. As a standard car, I've gotta say thay're probably the tubbiest of all Type R's.
But when modified, the tuning potential is there (like it or not) & the end result is that they're not bad at all. I give a lot of credit to the power plant, but the chassis isn't so bad either once sent to "Jenny Craig".
I admit I'm not a huge fan & would likley never buy one, but all jokes aside they can be made into quite effective track cars.
Be that a club level or at the pinicle of tin top 2.0L racing (Ie:BTCC.)

[lukits01]

I have followed BTCC for years Adrian. The DC5 privateers were faster for a very long time. Seat dominated too. You also know BTCC is nothing like the street. The BTCC runs modified custom geometry. No torsion beam rear to be seen anywhere. A V8 Supercar isn't really a taxi, nor are BTCC cars really FN2s. Or do we think the Holden Cruze is the best tin top FWD race car in the world?

was my understanding that the FN2 BTCC (actually its not even an FN2, it's a 5-door FK chassis) is based on a FIA S2000 spec chassis which has to retain the factory suspension architecture? with some adjustment in mounting points allowed, so it's still torsion beam IIRC.

I believe they also run NGTC-spec engines this year which is a Turbo K20A

[TODA AU]

was my understanding that the FN2 BTCC (actually its not even an FN2, it's a 5-door FK chassis) is based on a FIA S2000 spec chassis which has to retain the factory suspension architecture? with some adjustment in mounting points allowed, so it's still torsion beam IIRC.

I believe they also run NGTC-spec engines this year which is a Turbo K20A

Yup... You're on the money.
I stole this from the "Matt Neal - Team Honda Racing" site

TECH SPEC

Vehicle Type: Honda Civic 5 Door built to S2000 regulations with NGTC turbo assisted engine
Chassis: Standard Honda Civic shell, modified with a purpose built roll cage
Engine Type: Honda Civic Type R Turbo charged by Neil Brown Engineering
Displacement: 2 Litres
Intake System: Turbo Charged
Valve Train: Twin Overhead Camshaft 16 valve
Power Output: 300+
Torque: 300+Nm
Estimated top speed: 150mph
Transmission: XTrac Six speed sequential
Clutch: AP Racing Carbon
Battery: Yuasa

SUSPENSION
Front suspension: Honda Civic Type R with Eibach springs and Ohlins Dampers
Rear suspension: Twist beam designed and manufactured by Team Dynamics Motorsport

BRAKES
Front brakes: AP Brakes and Callipers
Rear brakes: AP Brakes and Callipers

WHEELS & TYRES
Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 light alloy race wheels with Dunlop tyres

TEAM WEBSITE
www.honda.co.uk/cars/btcc

Wiki says:
NGTC - Next Generation Touring Car
Next Generation Touring Car, also known as NGTC, is a TOCA specification and classification for production based race cars. The specification covers touring car racing. The goal of the NGTC classification is to allow more manufacturers and privateers to race by reducing the cost of a competitive car and to reduce reliance on the increasingly expensive Super 2000 equipment. The specification was created for use in the British Touring Car Championship and will be phased in over three years from the 2011 British Touring Car Championship season[1]. However, NGTC Engines were first used in the 2010 season by Pinkney Motorsport, Pirtek Racing and Special Tuning UK[2].

The introduction of these new technical regulations were designed to fulfil the following criteria:

* Dramatically reduce the design, build and running costs of the cars and engines
* Maintain present levels of performance until 2013, to ensure performance parity with current S2000 cars
* Reduce the potential for significant performance disparities between cars
* ‘Future proof’ the regulations by being able to easily modify the various performance parameters
* Reduce reliance on WTCC/S2000 equipment, due to increasing costs/complexity and concerns as to its future sustainability/direction