New Evo X weighs in @ a whooping 1600kg

[TypeSexy]

Gone are the days of sport cars that weigh 1000-1200kg's

Now days its all about safety and rain sensing wipers and lets not forget ipod connection cause if your car doesnt have that, its shiit!!!

[tinkerbell]

yep - going opposite of a motoring pioneer...

[m0nty]

Yet much quicker than those 1200kg. Technology finds a way. You missed safety. That's the number one priority for manufacturers these days.

[m0nty]

My bad. Can't edit on mobile.

[wpg81]

Also another step closer to the car driving its self. what happened to right foot traction control/braking and your hand to turn you wiper or lights on? autos that think they are manuals and manuals that think they are autos. Yet nissan engineers belive r35 gtr weight is perfect to hold traction in corners at 1700/1800kg. lighter cars should hold greater corner speed is what i am to understand?(and better on fuel)

[honda-lover]

When I previously test drove an Evo X, with the factory subwoofer and other options, I think it weighed in at 1625kgs!

Unfortunately, Honda is also going that way - look at the weight gain on the new Accord Euro and the Civic Type R.

[TypeSexy]

well considering the evo has (i think) 224kw of power

and my car is 156kw of power

calculating the power to weight ratio equals to about

evo - 140kw per tonne
type s - 130kw per tonne

not much difference if you think of it

[TeMp]

well considering the evo has (i think) 224kw of power

and my car is 156kw of power

calculating the power to weight ratio equals to about

evo - 140kw per tonne
type s - 130kw per tonne

not much difference if you think of it

Its not just about power. DC5 is about a 6.8 sec car while the Evo X is a 4.8 sec car.

But have I have to admit the weight is shocking. Compared to the Evo 9 (which has similar power) its about 100 kgs heavier.

[m0nty]

The Evo X has much more mass appeal also. Its more comfortable, has more features and still retains that high performance. Its just a fact that this is how cars are now made. Lightweight hardcore cars are a thing of the past.

[fatboyz39]

evo X GSR are 60kg heavier then evo 9's. The EVO X are a much better chassis over the Ct9A's. Given the 60kg increase it isnt that much considering the X's has potential.

Extracting 300kw out of the EVO 10 won't be to hard on stock motor.

[TypeSexy]

evo X GSR are 60kg heavier then evo 9's. The EVO X are a much better chassis over the Ct9A's. Given the 60kg increase it isnt that much considering the X's has potential.

Extracting 300kw out of the EVO 10 won't be to hard on stock motor.

Interesting.

Don't get me wrong i think the EVO X is a great car. I dont like the way the manufacturers are going at the moment, but as Monty said, it's how it is now.

oh well

[m0nty]

I see DC2 owners piping up and still holding onto that "greatest FWD" argument all the time. The DC2 is a shadow of cars like the Megane Cup, Focus RS, Scirocco R and GTI. It was good in it's day but all these cars are far better. Like Jimmy said, chassis development has comes light years since the mid 90s, engines are more powerful, fuel efficient and user friendly. It's like anything these days.

[ChargeR]

I see DC2 owners piping up and still holding onto that "greatest FWD" argument all the time. The DC2 is a shadow of cars like the Megane Cup, Focus RS, Scirocco R and GTI. It was good in it's day but all these cars are far better. Like Jimmy said, chassis development has comes light years since the mid 90s, engines are more powerful, fuel efficient and user friendly. It's like anything these days.

I think it is a big call to claim that the chassis design of those cars you mention is that superior to the DC2 and other double wishbone Hondas. The modern cars make a lot of what they are limited to by packaging and other factors, but the fact remains is that the actual suspension design in most of these cars is inferior to that of the DC2R. Mostly Macpherson strut front suspension and weird multi link and beam axle rears do not a race car make. It is easy to keep adding power, tyre and electronics but ask any decent engineer and they would probably prefer to do it another way.

No doubt the engineers these days could produce a suspension architecture superior to the DC2R, but they just don't have opportunity to because all their performance hatches are based on a platform that stems from that manufacturer's base econobox. The DC2 and all the other late 80s and 90s Hondas were the same but they just did a better, less dynamically compromised job of designing the base econobox .

The B series is crap though and I am sure all the modern engines are superior on most fronts. And the actual chassis (separate from the suspension) on the old Hondas is so flexy and weak it seems like they are going to snap in half .

[wpg81]

Monty and chargeR are both right. how? well yes technology in engines gearboxes tires and stability/traction systems and chassis designs is making cars faster,]B]yet more dull to drve! [/B]on a pure chassis and suspension design the dc2 is superior in my mind and gives real feeling to the car even if its not going as fast.

more weight = more wear on all drive line and suspension components. vw audi lambo are currently testing a carbon plactic molding processes to reduce weight and fuel useage, still 5-10 years away from production. weight is a problem in cars!!!

[michaelz]

for feel nothing FWD with ever repeat what the DC2R offers in terms of rawness.

there will never be another FWD chassis like it because as good as the newer cars are, they simply don't do lightness anymore and nothing can emulate the feel of a light car that responds to the smallest input you make.

sure chassis technology in a DC2R is old hat but it's the one i'd have to own with pride. hot golf/megane/focus/mini just screams yuppy these days due to the unfortunate demographic that buys them.