Skunk2 war

[Master_Scythe]

I wont bias this with my oppinions;

Just wanted to make sure everyone had seen this;
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99962

Skunk2 are accused of importing and rebranding\dropshipping, and not having propper R&D
Skunk2 Defend themselves, and threaten 2 forum members with legal action.

Did they prove themselves to be 'the real deal' or otherwise? Your call.
Just wanted to make sure everyone had seen, because to steal a lame pun "knowing is half the battle"

The only qualm I have is that they offered a 'bounty' for their personal details, rather than having their lawyer contact the domain\forum\server owner. To me it feels little like 'we're bigger, run!'

[tinkerbell]

what is the point of this thread? and the link above?

please check the rules: http://forum.clubitr.com.au/faq.php?...aq_forum_rules

and decide whether you need clarification from a moderator once you work out what the purpose of this post is...

[rookie]

I believe he was just making everyone aware of the situation. With the best interest of the ClubITR members in mind. Just my 2c

[MYDC5R]

This has been going on for awhile..
All someone did was reveal where parts were being made, how he found out is a mystery and Skunk 2 went into overdrive offering a bounty for information on this guy?
Thats pretty deep..

[tinkerbell]

I believe he was just making everyone aware of the situation. With the best interest of the ClubITR members in mind. Just my 2c

um, thanks, but *what* situation?

how will it affect us?

why is this post relevant to our interests?

a post that simply contains a link to a 35 page thread on another forum, with no explanation, a couple of cryptic comments and generally seems subversive, doesn't belong on ClubITR, even in the lounge...

if someone would care to explain it (as i have asked), then great, but at the moment, this is "pointless" and in breach of the rules...

[etherealfall]

This has been going on for awhile..
All someone did was reveal where parts were being made, how he found out is a mystery and Skunk 2 went into overdrive offering a bounty for information on this guy?
Thats pretty deep..

I believe he worded it in a way that was defamatory to skunk2?

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[rookie]

um, thanks, but *what* situation?

how will it affect us?

why is this post relevant to our interests? .....

My bad, i misunderstood the reason for your initial post.

[Shakeel]

I think this was mentioned in the chit chat thread a couple months back.. just saying

[rookie]

I think this was mentioned in the chit chat thread a couple months back.. just saying

It was, but only very briefly covered here:
http://forum.clubitr.com.au/showthread.php?t=10991

[45SET]

sik thread...

Shall be back to see it's progress in the near future...

[Mikeyy168]

um, thanks, but *what* situation?

how will it affect us?

why is this post relevant to our interests?

a post that simply contains a link to a 35 page thread on another forum, with no explanation, a couple of cryptic comments and generally seems subversive, doesn't belong on ClubITR, even in the lounge...

if someone would care to explain it (as i have asked), then great, but at the moment, this is "pointless" and in breach of the rules...

well i was bothered to read through most of it. its just about a few people speaking up for the rest of us quieter people about skunk2/junk2/joke2 products.

something about skunk2 not being truthful about where their products are made then other things about how poorly engineered their products are to how immature they are about things.

skunk2 actually put up a bounty to find these 2 guys details (name and addresses).

anyways. its a very intriguing read (had to read like HEAPS of pages) and im glad i didnt purchase the skunk2 intake manifold and their billet throttle body.

[Master_Scythe]

I believe he was just making everyone aware of the situation. With the best interest of the ClubITR members in mind. Just my 2c

um, thanks, but *what* situation?

how will it affect us?

why is this post relevant to our interests?

a post that simply contains a link to a 35 page thread on another forum, with no explanation, a couple of cryptic comments and generally seems subversive, doesn't belong on ClubITR, even in the lounge...

if someone would care to explain it (as i have asked), then great, but at the moment, this is "pointless" and in breach of the rules...

Exactly that Rookie,

And Tinkerbell, Skunk2 make a lot of Honda parts. If people are building an engine, they'll most likely know how its relevant to us (the honda community).

The point was to provide a link that people will likely be interested in. I dont think theres much more I can say than whats in that 35 page thread, anything else would just be rehashing whats already there.

My bad if its honestly that serious a breach of rules and i've offended or bothered anyone. Lock or delete if you want.

I'll rehash a little though to stop breaching rules if I did.
From what ive learned,
The 'big flame war' happened because the 2 guys 'head hunted' looked into the R&D processes of Skunk2 after their cams kept snapping timing chains (at least im fairly sure thats when they bothered to start looking deeply, corect me if i'm wrong?).

The issue is that one side claims extensive R&D, high quality parts, and what have you.
The other side is trying to disprove a propper R&D, and has accused them of 'rebranding' imports.

There is evidience and claims on both sides; considering things like cams can be around the $1000 mark, I thought people would like to see and read both sides before they spend their money (maybe it proves they're an OK bunch, maybe you feel the reseach is 'true' and DONT like them now?)

I appologise again, I dont want to step on toes.
I'm used to IT forums where a link and a relevant title is OK.
I'd give an oppinion, but in the interest of NOT trying to subvert either side, I kept my oppinions to myself.

anyways. its a very intriguing read (had to read like HEAPS of pages) and im glad i didnt purchase the skunk2 intake manifold and their billet throttle body.

and that ^ was the aim. Not to encourage people to boycott or not; It was to provide a 'very intriguing read' and give people some background on a company they may be spending thousands with.

[tinkerbell]

thanks for the clarification, so car modifiers need to understand the products they use may be not what they seem or claim? okay - thanks for the heads up!!!!!!!!

but surely if misrepresentations were being made regarding the product(s), these would have to be dealt with by the DoJ???

not some internets thread warz?

i am NOT reading that thread to find out what the DoJ has done in response to the allegations...

the point of the "pointless threads" rule - say, "this is what is going on, this is why it matters, go read this thread if you want to know more..." not "go read this thread..."

[Master_Scythe]

all good bro. Ill be more descriptive in the future.

Assuming for a minute here the 2 'outlaws' are correct.
The issue is not that the products are truly misrepresented, but misleading.
The main thing seems to be that Skunk2 portrays an image of a US company, and lots of testing, yet they're simply redistributing from taiwan.

Its hard to prove deliberately misleading 'forum posts' and 'emails' and what have you. Despite the fact that ANYONE who shops with them, wont use the 'buy now' button, its just not how it works ><; 90% will email sales, and then the private promises begin.

Basically the thread keeps trying to call on legal ation utill S2 realised that they're in the United Arab Emerits. (from the look).

Even without reading that thread, since signal is a mod there, the first post actually has all the info crammed into it. so its an easy skim read.

Honestly? I like that someone dug into it. I like that they defended themselves.
I dont like that they didnt have a solid defence other than 'their word', and I dont like that they literally head hunted a forum member.

I alway found it funny, how BC-S2 cams (less agressive than Sk2-S1) REQUIRED a valve train upgrade while Sk2 assured with a stock redline theirs were fine. And there in lies my issue. Does this speak to 'good R&D and knowing its safe' or does BC know more, and this suggests they're repeating what a 3rd party distributor told them was safe? Its hard to decide.

Thats my 2c

[tinkerbell]

just IMO - but saying "not all car parts are manufactured where you think they are or to a particular level of quality", is like saying "not all politicians are truthful and honest"...

FWIW - i have a toda C EX cam and a skunk2 Pro2 IN cam in my engine right now... LOL!

the toda cam i got dialled in in seconds, the skunk2 was just guessed - as they don't provide proper specifications on its opening & closing degrees!!!