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    ****! crunched gears?!

    Hey guys,

    Having to drive auto as soon as I got my manual licence, I'm still getting used to controlling my clutch with the new car...

    ... so this afternoon - as I was reversing my car, I put it into R and 'accidently' forgot to clutch in - causing it to make a heart-wrenching 'crunching' noise.

    Just for reassurance, just wanna hear from you guys to see if it's a big deal, such as any damage has been done or have I worn anything - or it's basically a common thing to happen and there is nothing to worry about

    Much appreciated.

    NOTE: If interested, a review of the Polo GTI has been added on the second page =]
    Last edited by ryan_GTI; 28-09-06, 08:05 PM.
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    #2
    not a big deal mate, happens sometimes when u are lazy. if you however do it all the time then yes thats a problem.

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      #3
      do you mean you actually managed to put in a gear without any clutch action?? That's pretty impressive as i never thought it's possible. But, my guess is, it should be ok! It should have the same effect as dumping your clutch during a drag start off the traffic lights.
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        #4
        Originally posted by lovesil View Post
        That's pretty impressive as i never thought it's possible.
        Sometimes...some racer change gears without using the clutch at all....
        Apparently its something to do with the right rpm range....
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          #5
          Originally posted by scheung View Post
          Sometimes...some racer change gears without using the clutch at all....
          Apparently its something to do with the right rpm range....
          I had a friend who use to do this, I kept on telling him not to as it would ruin the tranny.

          He ended up blowing the tranny and the motor was blowing smoke a short while later.
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            #6
            i though you wont be able to put it into gears without clutch in, theres a lock.

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              #7
              you must have pulled it pretty hard to get it in reverse without the clutch... As long as there are no rattles and it slots into reverse fine (with clutch).. you shouldn't have any major worries.

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                #8
                Originally posted by scheung View Post
                Sometimes...some racer change gears without using the clutch at all....
                Apparently its something to do with the right rpm range....
                It is actually possible, i could drive my dads landcruiser ute without using the clutch going up and down all gears, just a matter of getting the revs right and it pops out of one gear and into the next, takes a fair bit of practise to get it perfect and probly not the best thing for ur gear box when learning. I also think it is most likely only possible with gear boxes without double or triple syncros.

                In relation to the original question, ur gear box should be fine as long as it goes into gear ok with the clutch in and as long as you don't continuously keep doing it...
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lovesil View Post
                  do you mean you actually managed to put in a gear without any clutch action?? That's pretty impressive as i never thought it's possible. But, my guess is, it should be ok! It should have the same effect as dumping your clutch during a drag start off the traffic lights.
                  no it doesn't have the same effect as dumping your clutch during a drag start. during a drag start you already have the clutch down and are in gear. from which pt dumping the clutch will probably put wear and tear on ur clutch and drivetrain. there is no wear on the syncros as the gear is already locked into 1st. however if you try to force the gear in without clutching, the syncros are just grinding against each other which creates that "crunch" noise.

                  having said that i've done it once b4 in 1st gear because i got lazy and only clutched halfway. i obviously didn't jam it into 1st but let it pop as soon as i heard it. there is no damage or anything and i'm sure you can afford to make these mistakes once in a blue moon. just don't do it often.

                  btw i don't think he ever mentioned saying he got it into gear? i believe he just crunched the reverse gear and most likely let it pop out once he heard the noise.

                  and with regards to the shifting without a clutch, its very possible. theoretically if you did it perfectly there would be no wear and tear.
                  Last edited by andrew84tran; 27-09-06, 10:25 AM.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by lovesil View Post
                    do you mean you actually managed to put in a gear without any clutch action?? That's pretty impressive as i never thought it's possible.
                    im pretty sure the V8 supercars dont use the clutch all that often during a race (eg. down straights).

                    i get lazy sometimes and bring out the clutch too early before im in gear....not too worry just dont do it all the time!
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                      #11
                      Comparing a straight-cut gearbox that is half the price of the car vs. a factory gearbox is heaven and earth. The reason why straight-cut gearboxes don't need to clutch and upshift is based on its gearbox design. However, clutch is still required for downshift. What works in a race car doesn't work in a road car. Do that on a factory gearbox is plain stupidity.

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                        #12
                        Hey thanks for all the replies guys...

                        Reffering back to how i got into gear without clutching in - well in the VW polo to get into reverse you have to press down the gearstick before it lets you slot into R, even without putting down the clutch. And that's how it basically started 'crunching'.

                        So to my understanding from your posts, if i got it into gear fine (without forcing it in) its totally fine? even if it crunches... anyways since it's my first time doing it - i shouldn't be too worried.

                        lol sorry if i sound paranoid - but i just recently got this car and don't want anything happen to it... just yet =P

                        Cheers.
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                          #13
                          just get into the habit of stepping on the clutch whenever you touch the gear stick
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                            #14
                            Just about all reverse gears are straight cut with no syncro rings. Hop into your Honda etc, put it into reverse (suggest use clutch) and drive backwards at a resonable speed (faster than walking) and listen to how noisy reverse really is. Normal forward gears are helical in shape to reduce this noise. Gets quite abit more technical than this with gear design.

                            Basically, if your method of changing gears (or putting into gear) is noisy then I suggest a change of style.

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                              #15
                              i suggest you change your gearbox oil.
                              its those chipped off little particles floating in your gearbox that will eventually do the damage.


                              Originally posted by ryan_GTI View Post
                              Hey thanks for all the replies guys...

                              Reffering back to how i got into gear without clutching in - well in the VW polo to get into reverse you have to press down the gearstick before it lets you slot into R, even without putting down the clutch. And that's how it basically started 'crunching'.

                              So to my understanding from your posts, if i got it into gear fine (without forcing it in) its totally fine? even if it crunches... anyways since it's my first time doing it - i shouldn't be too worried.

                              lol sorry if i sound paranoid - but i just recently got this car and don't want anything happen to it... just yet =P

                              Cheers.

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