Turbo Hondas

[tinkerbell]

The beauty of Honda's is that they're N/A and rev ridiculously high.

This is opinion not FACT (before anybody rips me)

rip rip rip, lol!

nah - but don't forget turbo VTEC's rev over 8K too

w00t!

[m0nty]

rip rip rip, lol!

nah - but don't forget turbo VTEC's rev over 8K too

w00t!

8,000rpm? Bah! I wanna build a 10,000rpm K20.

[l3vnd1]

rip rip rip, lol!

nah - but don't forget turbo VTEC's rev over 8K too

w00t!

So do new STI's

[Elwood]

8,000rpm? Bah! I wanna build a 10,000rpm K20.

A engine that rev's up to 10k stops making power at...?

[l3vnd1]

A engine that rev's up to 10k stops making power at...?

10K

lol jkz

[Natman]

Not sure what's in this Integra Type R *giggles* but it made 11,000rpm with ease
check it out on my myspace page peoples

http://www.myspace.com/djcaffeen

Apparently i would agree i would stick with N/A and get it modded/tuned by a reliable/honest mechanic/tuner without the need of turbo, your N/A will fly....

Also though it isn't relevant to this thread/post here's my gearing technique in my DC2R, this only when i drive normally around melbourne. The mechanic i go to couldn't believe it.....
1st - 4,000rpm - (Light touch of the accelerator. lol )
2nd - 5,000rpm - (Push it a little more down lol
3rd - 6,000rpm - " " ".
4th - 6,5000rpm - " " ".
5th - VTEC!!!!
go N/A!
check it out on my myspace page peoples

http://www.myspace.com/djcaffeen

[DLO01]

It may not be designed for boost, but it sure does respond well to boost. So why not boost that baby. Everyone is different.

[Natman]

true, i like your build Dean....

[l3vnd1]

It may not be designed for boost, but it sure does respond well to boost. So why not boost that baby. Everyone is different.

Dean;

I have read about your boosted Teg and have to say it is probably the best one I have seen (read about).

Seems like you pulled it off quite well and the dyno graph shows it also.

You took your time and did everything properly (no cutting corners).

Big respect is due for that and I agree yours did respond well to boost.

But as you said; Everyone is different

[l3vnd1]

Not sure what's in this Integra Type R *giggles* but it made 11,000rpm with ease
check it out on my myspace page peoples

http://www.myspace.com/djcaffeen

Apparently i would agree i would stick with N/A and get it modded/tuned by a reliable/honest mechanic/tuner without the need of turbo, your N/A will fly....

Also though it isn't relevant to this thread/post here's my gearing technique in my DC2R, this only when i drive normally around melbourne. The mechanic i go to couldn't believe it.....
1st - 4,000rpm - (Light touch of the accelerator. lol )
2nd - 5,000rpm - (Push it a little more down lol
3rd - 6,000rpm - " " ".
4th - 6,5000rpm - " " ".
5th - VTEC!!!!
go N/A!
check it out on my myspace page peoples

http://www.myspace.com/djcaffeen

Yeah seen that video before;

That is nuts! Dont think engine will last very long...

[m0nty]

A engine that rev's up to 10k stops making power at...?

Very open ended question. I've seen quite a few 11k rpm S2000s. Both J's and Amuse S2k's go up to 11,500rpm. And they're driven up to it in every gear. It all comes down to cam profile and tune. Most VTEC engines are capable of it with the right goods. Having a high rpm also allows much shorter gearing for better acceleration.

Ever heard an F1 car use it's 10,000rpm powerband through seven close ratio gears? That's the most extreme example, but having a larger powerband gives you more usable rev range. A standard DC5 for example is actually quite restrictive. VTEC engagemtn is at 5,900rpm, peak power is at 7,400rpm and fuel cut is at 7,900. That's just 2,000rpm before it's all over. And under 5,900 the K20 struggles with the weight of the DC5. Now lower the VTEC engagement, increase the fuel cut and shorten those gears. Having those high rpm engines isn't anywhere near as effective without the right gearing. The best acceleration mod you can do to a car is put a lower final drive in it. Bang for buck right there. But we digress....

I guess the point is, turbos give you bang for buck, but having a well tuned high rpm NA car cannot be beaten.

[l3vnd1]

Very open ended question. I've seen quite a few 11k rpm S2000s. Both J's and Amuse S2k's go up to 11,500rpm. And they're driven up to it in every gear. It all comes down to cam profile and tune. Most VTEC engines are capable of it with the right goods. Having a high rpm also allows much shorter gearing for better acceleration.

Ever heard an F1 car use it's 10,000rpm powerband through seven close ratio gears? That's the most extreme example, but having a larger powerband gives you more usable rev range. A standard DC5 for example is actually quite restrictive. VTEC engagemtn is at 5,900rpm, peak power is at 7,400rpm and fuel cut is at 7,900. That's just 2,000rpm before it's all over. And under 5,900 the K20 struggles with the weight of the DC5. Now lower the VTEC engagement, increase the fuel cut and shorten those gears. Having those high rpm engines isn't anywhere near as effective without the right gearing. The best acceleration mod you can do to a car is put a lower final drive in it. Bang for buck right there. But we digress....

I guess the point is, turbos give you bang for buck, but having a well tuned high rpm NA car cannot be beaten.

AGREED 150%!!!!!!

And is more fun

I guess a good contrast in regards to this RPM issue is the V8 Super Cars Vs. F1 Cars

Much bigger engine but still cannot out power an F1 car.

[Elwood]

Very open ended question. I've seen quite a few 11k rpm S2000s. Both J's and Amuse S2k's go up to 11,500rpm. And they're driven up to it in every gear. It all comes down to cam profile and tune. Most VTEC engines are capable of it with the right goods. Having a high rpm also allows much shorter gearing for better acceleration.

Ever heard an F1 car use it's 10,000rpm powerband through seven close ratio gears? That's the most extreme example, but having a larger powerband gives you more usable rev range. A standard DC5 for example is actually quite restrictive. VTEC engagemtn is at 5,900rpm, peak power is at 7,400rpm and fuel cut is at 7,900. That's just 2,000rpm before it's all over. And under 5,900 the K20 struggles with the weight of the DC5. Now lower the VTEC engagement, increase the fuel cut and shorten those gears. Having those high rpm engines isn't anywhere near as effective without the right gearing. The best acceleration mod you can do to a car is put a lower final drive in it. Bang for buck right there. But we digress....

I guess the point is, turbos give you bang for buck, but having a well tuned high rpm NA car cannot be beaten.

But the question is, do they have the right cams?

Id imagine spoon and amuse would - but those people who tune a B or a K to anything over 9K?

[tinkerbell]

Very open ended question. I've seen quite a few 11k rpm S2000s. Both J's and Amuse S2k's go up to 11,500rpm. And they're driven up to it in every gear. It all comes down to cam profile and tune. Most VTEC engines are capable of it with the right goods. Having a high rpm also allows much shorter gearing for better acceleration.

how would these compare dynamically to a boosted S2000 - in terms of circuit and street usage

i'd *guess* the boosted one would be easier/fun every day, whilst NA would eat up a circuit...??

[Q_ball]

AGREED 150%!!!!!!

And is more fun

I guess a good contrast in regards to this RPM issue is the V8 Super Cars Vs. F1 Cars

Much bigger engine but still cannot out power an F1 car.

Each to their own... ive taken both an NA teg of any kind dc2/4/5/R, and a turbo gsi out and about, and down the 1/4 - and from my personal experiences, the turbo gsi was way more fun than any NA teg that ive been in... be it modified NA, or not.

how would these compare dynamically to a boosted S2000 - in terms of circuit and street usage

i'd *guess* the boosted one would be easier/fun every day, whilst NA would eat up a circuit...??

So long as the setup to support the turbo is good, i dont really see why a highly tuned NA s2k would be any better than the boosted one.

I know for a fact that where my turbo teg lacked back in the day was brakes, suspension, wheels/tyres, lsd and aerodynamics (ie. fugly front bar etc etc).