Engine Management ECU's Hondata -- DC2R

[kavehman]

HI All,

Once I finally get my exhaust fitted, I think it may be beneficial to upgrade my stock ECU to some other system of engine management. I'm not very familiar with the topic of ECU's or aware of any good tuners.

I know there are a lot of disaster stories out there and I don't want to be one of them. I'm looking for a safe option that will maximise the performance of my mods without sacrificing engine durability too much.

So I have been mainly looking at the most talked about options and they are Hondata S100 and Apexi Power FC. Not really sure of any other options.

Would you guys be able to give me some advice on which systems are good, and which tuners are reccomended ? Also on where to buy.

My mod list includes
Mugen 4-2-1 Headers
2.5" B pipe to be fitted along with 200 cell cat, mated to mugen twinloop
Mugen Intake
Spoon Throttle body

can't think of anything else right now, but thats pretty much it.

Any Advice would be appreciated

[tinkerbell]

there is only one option:

http://www.nengun.com/apexi/power-fc-hand-controller

tuned by Adrian Norton.

[Mike B]

Unless you have cams, machine work, I wouldnt bother getting a new ECU. All of those modifications are bolts on. That exhaust is really killing your 2.5" too.

If you do get an ECU, I would use the Hondata S300 or I have a Neptune V2.

[fueltank]

there is only one option:

http://www.nengun.com/apexi/power-fc-hand-controller

tuned by Adrian Norton.

Quoted for the truth.
PowerFC, plug and play and also allows you the option to change tuners if you become unhappy with one.

[rayDC2R]

Apexi Power FC is really better than Hondata? What is the main difference between the two? The reason I'm asking is because my next mod would probably be an ECU.

[VTECMACHINE]

Apex'i Power FC for a DC2R.

I'm using one. I have a stock motor, with a few bolt on mods similar to yourself.
If what your after is a massive gain after spending like $1300 after a tune, don't bother. However your engine will rev out smoother, and be shit load more responsive. If that's your goal... go for it. That's why I went ahead with my ECU upgrade. Also your VTEC engagement point remains the same, as there is no benefit to lower it with out aftermarket Cam's etc.

I'll see if I can get a good price for you... if you are serious about it. I dunno how much they go for now. Let me know what price you'll be getting it for, and i'll see if I can help a cITR member out.

Mine was tuned by Adrian@Toda. Great guy, and great tuner by the looks of things. There's always Indy@ISMR who is a very safe tuner, and an extremely nice guy to work with. These 2 have a thumbs up from me!

[fueltank]

Apexi Power FC is really better than Hondata? What is the main difference between the two? The reason I'm asking is because my next mod would probably be an ECU.

It's neither better nor worse (re: PowerFC vs Hondata).
It's more of the flexibility of the PFC. you can get any tuner you like to tune it.

Fromt tr00f.net "Your ECU is as good as the tuner."

[tinkerbell]

Apexi Power FC is really better than Hondata? What is the main difference between the two?

http://home.exetel.com.au/tinkerbell...uresStreet.htm

(ignore prices)

Hondata prices:

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/sh...3072#post3072?

PowerFC price:

http://www.nengun.com/apexi/power-fc-hand-controller

[Wlee2]

if you got money and there are some decent tuners around (its who you can trust)

autronic is a good ECu for the Dc2 and its plug and play with the ODB2 harness.

http://www.autronic.com/page_files/m...shi_subaru.htm

dont mind the llink name down the bottom theres a Plug and play Unit for the Honda ODB1 and ODB2

Honda Civic/Integra 92-95 (OBD1) can be used on 1996-00 (OBD2) cars with supplied adapter harness.

its an awesome ECu.. but u need the money to back up the cost..

Microtech is a Wirein type (codenamed Cheap and Nasty)

its cheap it works but some honda's had trouble getting it to run right. something to do with cold idle. ive never owned one.. (it apparently can be made to work perfect but theres alot of man hours involved)

then theres Motec.. its wireintype for us.. i dont think they have a PNP board yet.. but its probably either the best, or onpar with the best ecu money can buy..

motec and autronic your looking at a good Chunk of money spent on ecu alone its like buying a whole laptop for your car a 3 or 5k laptop that is =P


after posting alot of very expensive Ecu up.. regardless if you have a Greddy emanage or a Power FC.. or autronic or Motec.. your car final running status is only as good as your tuner.


ohh edit:

your up in sydney Toda AU (Adrian) i believe can tune almost all those ECu i have listed..
advantage of having a hondata or a Piggyback is that your stock tune works fine!, and can drive it to the tuners..

but for the autronic or motec or Microtech you will need to get a tuner to make a base map which can cost alot!.

for tuning autronic here in melb theres beninca motors which i believe is one of the autronic dealers around

[kavehman]

That is an awesome comparison chart Dave. Nice work

[fueltank]

I would be interested to see if a DC2R with I/H/E would get more power running Autronic/Motec compared to a hondata/PowerFC because the Autronic has same features as PFC/hondata. Maybe just the resolution between hondata and PFC/Autronic differs.

[Wlee2]

I would be interested to see if a DC2R with I/H/E would get more power running Autronic/Motec compared to a hondata/PowerFC because the Autronic has same features as PFC/hondata. Maybe just the resolution between hondata and PFC/Autronic differs.

thats a pretty silly question.. considering it dependant on tuner..

neway you pay for a faster processor. its like buying a 800 laptop and a 4k laptop.. they both do word processing and both have similar results but the 4k laptop should technically do it faster =P.. then again .. if you have a Typer (tuner) that types at 100 WPm on the 800 buck laptop, compared to a joe blo that types at 20 wpm on the 4k laptop off course the 800 buck laptop wins out..

[fueltank]

thats a pretty silly question.. considering it dependant on tuner..

neway you pay for a faster processor. its like buying a 800 laptop and a 4k laptop.. they both do word processing and both have similar results but the 4k laptop should technically do it faster =P.. then again .. if you have a Typer (tuner) that types at 100 WPm on the 800 buck laptop, compared to a joe blo that types at 20 wpm on the 4k laptop off course the 800 buck laptop wins out..

mate your analogy does not work.

slower processor makes the motor rev up slower?

I'm talking about loading exactly same map points on both ECU's.

[Wlee2]

man.. if both maps were compatible for different ecu.. then tuners would be obsolete..


neway you cant claim more power on a more expensive ecu.. no one in their right mind would say autronic will net more power than Hondata. that wasent the point.. he asked for ECu options..

OPTIONS!.. you gave him one ECu.. i gave him 3..
1 cheap, 1 exy, 1 SUPER EXY!.

i did what he asked for. nothing more.

[kavehman]

Wlee2 and Fueltank thanks for the insight. It's really appreciated. I'm sure thi spost will benefit quite a few users