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    Without racing, there is no Honda



    begin rant:

    As Soichiro Honda, the founder of the Honda Motor Corporation in 1946, said, “If Honda does not race there is no Honda”.

    It's interesting to try and figure out where Honda is headed. They've got a whole lot of cool advertisements which use "racing" as a way of marketing their products. "Without racing there is no Honda". The man behind Honda was into racing, the car/gift they designed and built for him, the S2K, is a powerful na, rear wheel drive, lightweight, 2 door sports car.

    Yet...

    It seems like they're pushing consumer products into the market with their "racing" heritage as marketing (selling lots of it too). One example is pushing the Fit (Honda Jazz) at SEMA. They handed a Jazz to tuning companies and asked them all to compete against each other to create the coolest Jazz (they did it with the new Civic too last year). Great marketing, great way to get people into the Jazz. But in some ways, it's a shame it's the Jazz they're turning into a race car, and not a sportier car to begin with (I doubt I would sit in a Jazz and feel Honda's race technology and development).

    Shame that the focus and push is on turning an eco friendly people mover (which the Jazz is) into something it's not.

    I know race cars don't sell well. The Type-R hasn't ever made them as much money as the Jazz... but is it all about the money? Manufacturers don't go into F1 to make money surely. I'd hope it's more about the passion of racing. As mentioned before, without racing there is no Honda and that comes from Honda himself. There are enthusiasts out there who need the Type-R and the Type-R has gained Honda SO MUCH RESPECT the world over, so much so it would be a shame for Honda to drop it.

    Whilst other companies pushing performance cars (WRX, EVO, 350Z, MX-5, MPS, RX8, GTi, R32, GTA, Sport Cup just to name a few), it seems like Honda is pushing their base cars (Jazz base model, there was only the cheapest base model at the Motor Show this year and no VTi-S to be seen).

    Take for example the all new EVO coming out, and the all new GT-R, they are not based on the every day consumer cars anymore. They are designed from the beginning, from the ground up, to be performance cars. I think that's the right direction.

    I'd hate to see the death of sports cars in my lifetime and it scares me that Honda's axing so many cool cars. That loving your old stuff better than your new stuff feeling. That feeling about the DC5R being more compromised than the DC2R. That feeling of them making a great car into a heavier car that is more comfy, like the R33 GT-R to the R32 GT-R. Like the EVO7 to the EVO 6.5. That feeling sux ass and I'm getting it from Honda/Honda Australia.

    :end rant
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    #2
    but think of it this way, without funds, nothing will happen.

    No sports cars will be made, no f1 will be made.

    Think of this as a way to accumlate funds and to wait untill something is better.

    Also you seemed to have forgten yes nissan has the new gtr mitsubishi hasthe new evo, but we have also heard abit about the new nsx

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      #3
      Yeah true about the NSX. I don't really see the NSX as a car that many Honda fans can own though. $250,000 for a new NSX? Um, LOL in caps.

      I'm sure Honda will continue with performance cars. The engine in the DC5 Type-R is better than the engine in the DC2 Type-R. So there's still hope I'm sure.
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        #4
        all we can do it sit and wait for a 2.4L 280hp RWD light weight coupe..

        </still waiting>

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          #5
          aaahhh...yes i share your sentiments justin.
          really though, most of the japanese companies have gone in a similar direction.
          Nissan had the s-series silvias, RB turbo skylines, GTR, sporty Stagea versions, Sunny GTiR and Z32 fairlady, etc etc. whereas currently they have the Z33 as the only real performance car, and it is definitely a 'step down' in performance compared to most of the aforementioned sports nissans of the mid-late 90s.
          Similarly Toyota canned the Supra, SW20 MR2 and Celica GT4 and replaced the altezza, and currently have, well, the current celica? mrs? sure they have some 'potential' and some good ingredients, but they are very soft compared to their offerings from the mid-late 90s.
          Mazda is the same in the FD RX7 vs soft RX8, Mitsu dropped the GTO ... most of the japanese companies have wiltered their 'performance' range to one model.. it is sad.
          yes performance models are not the money-making star of the range, but i beleive they are a vital part of the range for motoring enthusiasts.
          sure the new NSX, GTR and Supra sound like they'll be pretty awe-inspiring, but also likely to be completely un-attainable, more so than their original models perhaps? lets hope not..
          "What's the point of racing a car that doesn't look cool?" - Nakai-san, RWB

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            #6
            i just think japanese manufacturers have just been unable to create sports cars which comply with all these new rules and regulations like crash testing and emissions etc..

            they realised that they cant make a cheap hardcore car unless they want to lose money..

            the europeans are good at it - M3, 911 etc etc.. and it just shows that the japs are catching on with the new GTR.. but it just shows you cant make sports cars cheap anymore

            plus youve got the worlds populations interests changing.. i hear VIP is much more popular amongst young japs than hypo JDM these days..

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              #7
              True true.
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                #8
                i disagree.. the civic R is a pretty good sports car for cheap.. the 350Z is pretty good.. S2000 is basically as fast as a boxster S and a fair bit cheaper.. your saying japan cant make good cheap sports car compared to europe then you name the M3 and 911 which cost 150k+...

                The problem is that Honda is concentrating more on the mass market trying to increase the sales of its normal cars and putting less effort into sports cars..

                but i am guessing that will change, i think its cyclic..

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                  #9
                  You make some good points but I think you just have to be patient.

                  Honda moves naturally in very big cycles. The last cycle started when the NSX came out. This led on naturally to the development of the ITR and CTR and then S2K. We are just finishing the cycle now, with the new SH-AWD released fairly quietly in the Legend.

                  It is true Honda currently don't make any cars I want to own. But the new NSX with V10 is in development right now. Lets wait and see what it is like before we start to worry about the direction Honda is taking.

                  - Andrew

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                    #10
                    I don't think you can justify it is a cycle when it's only one time around...(if even).

                    Honda is indeed disappointing these past few years...
                    can only hope i guess...

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                      #11
                      Yes that's what I worry about. One of my own personal lifetimes around you know? The time for me to be into cars is just right... so I hope I get to see more perfomance cars from Honda (and other makes) in the market... NOW. lol.
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                        #12
                        thats true.. the sooner they arrive the sooner they can be 3 years old, depreciate so i can afford them

                        LOL

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                          #13
                          Spot on! I've seen an NSX go for $50k in carsales. That's a super car that's pretty damn close to being affordable!
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                            #14
                            mm...NSX's are coming down in price. slooowly. but is an NSX a real supercar? i mean they look like one, sure. and they cost like one to run. but theyre not exactly..fast. know what i mean? signifficantly slower than a R32 GTR. i'm guessing on-pace with a s2000 in terms of acceleration and handling?

                            then again an R32 GTR is definitely an affordable supercar. thrashed ones are selling for under 20k now!
                            "What's the point of racing a car that doesn't look cool?" - Nakai-san, RWB

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                              #15
                              is it hard to modify a NSX to make more power? cos its 201kW from 3.0 is not that great... 10.2 compression

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