7th Gen Celica

[spmir1]

Has anyone had any straight line fun with any 7th Gen celica's?

[szymonsta]

um..dunno if ur referring to traffic-light drag racing which im not really into..

but

i have driven one before i got my dc2r..it was ok but not compared to the R !
th 2ZZ-FE or whatever its called likes to rev, but not as much as the b18c,and it doesnt feel as punchy as the type-r, or indeed as punchy as a h22a in the prelude vti-r. i'd guess it would be more of a match for the integra vti-r..(as a sidenote,apparently the valvesprings on the 2zz dont enjoy continuous high-rpm use, and tend to break regularly, unlike their honda counterparts).
6 speed gearbox wasnt as nice feeling as honda 'boxes, and styling wasnt really to my taste, though i guess u could say it is more modern/futuristic than the dc2r.
in terms of handling ive heard the rear suspension design isnt great especially when lowered, and without a standard lsd im guessing it would by typical 'sporty FF' ie competent but nothing to get too excited about.
in terms of streight-line acceleration i think they have been tested about 0.6s slower than a DC2R in both 0-100 and 0-400m, ie 7.6/15.6s..

[spmir1]

actually the 2zzge revs pretty much the same as the audmB18. and it feels much punchier in the transition from low to high lift. IMO the 2zz stock is a much more exciting motor than the B18 but the thing that lets it down is it's gearbox. those 0 to 100 times are not a true indication. Those times happen with poor shifts and a first time driver will find it very difficult to shift well in the celica(i.e land high lift 1st to 2nd) the ratios are just bad. but with practise it can be done and then it is really a drivers race between ITR and celica. i can say that because i used to own a celica and now a DC5R. In the honda shifting 1 to 2 is a breeze but the stock K20 is very boring compared to the 2zz. not to say it aint a great motor! we all know it is. as in any performance VTEC i have been in, none of them are as exciting as the 2zzge.
for a all round drivers car, hands down the honda is better stock. and that's why i bought one.

i have alot of celica mates that track their car regularly and have no problems with their valve springs. there was a problem with weak lift bolts. but that is very minor. i tracked the celica as well for very long times, and it felt very comfortable at high revs all day. yamaha are very experienced with high engine speeds. did you see the 12hr bathurst a lil while back? 2 DC2 engines blew up and the celicas came first and third. lol

a mate with only a replica CAI from ebay, an unbolted exhaust and a stripped interior celica, recently ran a 14.4 quarter and i have the slip.

of course the audm celica is no R, you would have to compare the eurdm type M celica to the R.

[CK1]

a mate with only a replica CAI from ebay, an unbolted exhaust and a stripped interior celica, recently ran a 14.4 quarter and i have the slip.

IMO, celicas are more asthetically pleasing than the DC5R when done up properly... b4 i got my car, i was acutally comtemplating on the 2zzge, but decided against it in the end as there were no black ones for sale at the time..... newaiz.. regarding ur friend, im pretty sure u missed out on 2 things, ebay short shifter and pnp head....

[TAFKA TMB]

yamaha are very experienced with high engine speeds. did you see the 12hr bathurst a lil while back? 2 DC2 engines blew up and the celicas came first and third. lol.

Not a true comparison.

The DC2R team seemed like a pack of whackeres and the Colin Osbourne Celicas were prepared and driven very proffesionally.

[SHIFTY]

Celica's where marketed for hairdressers....

nuf said

[BF]

Celica's where marketed for hairdressers....

nuf said

That's has to be the silliest thing to say.

An equally silly but fair retort would be that type Rs were designed for boy racers without the driving skills or the money for real cars.

[SHIFTY]

im not being a dickhead...

its true...

the celica was designed for that type of ppl...

research is ur friend...

besides from the gt4 which had 2 be made for them 2 use it as a rally car (i think it is 2,500 cars have 2 be produced and sold 2 the public 2 use a car for rally's)

the rest of the celica's where marketed towards ppl who where intrested in looking good ect ect..


dont hate the player hate the game :P

wasnt trying 2 shit stir.. just a fact... somen i learnt at tafe and from research as i thought it was funny when i heard it and thought id look it up...

[hebe]

I had some fun with one...up a hill too...was close but i pulled away coming end of 2nd and start of 3rd....this was with no launch and a normal take off so i needed to reel him in as i was behind him!...that is if you're referring to the cockroach looking one LOL

[szymonsta]

actually the 2zzge revs pretty much the same as the audmB18. and it feels much punchier in the transition from low to high lift...

by 'revs' i meant how high it revs ie 7900rpm redline vs 8300rpm for the dc2r.
..but yes both are high revving in nature.
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IMO the 2zz stock is a much more exciting motor than the B18

if ur referring to b18c from dc2r then i disagree..

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but the thing that lets it down is it's gearbox. those 0 to 100 times are not a true indication. Those times happen with poor shifts and a first time driver will find it very difficult to shift well in the celica(i.e land high lift 1st to 2nd) the ratios are just bad. but with practise it can be done and then it is really a drivers race between ITR and celica. i can say that because i used to own a celica and now a DC5R. In the honda shifting 1 to 2 is a breeze but the stock K20 is very boring compared to the 2zz. not to say it aint a great motor! we all know it is. as in any performance VTEC i have been in, none of them are as exciting as the 2zzge.

are you referring perhaps to the feeling of noticing the change from low-to high-cam profile? in this sense the dc5R's k20 is definitely less 'pronounced' in its transition than a B18C7. i would say the celica's transition is felt somewhere between the newer and older type-r's..

for a all round drivers car, hands down the honda is better stock. and that's why i bought one.

i have alot of celica mates that track their car regularly and have no problems with their valve springs. there was a problem with weak lift bolts. but that is very minor. i tracked the celica as well for very long times, and it felt very comfortable at high revs all day. yamaha are very experienced with high engine speeds. did you see the 12hr bathurst a lil while back? 2 DC2 engines blew up and the celicas came first and third. lol

ive spoken to both teams running dc2r's in the GT Production races a while back and remember our conversation re: the other cars int he class..
they said that the celicas were very competitive, due in part to the huge factory backing and support, big budget, being run and driven by such names as mr.Bates, etc..as an example the coilovers the celica teams were running were twice the price of the coilovers the privately-run low-budget thrifty dc2r team was running. another example is the thrifty dc2r team had used the same engine, just with oil, spark plug, filters etc service, for 2 seasons, whereas the celica team had their engines rebuilt every 2nd event!
these differences undoubtedly 'even out' the performance gap between celica and dc2r..
as a sidenote the teg team did say they were quite impressed with the pace of the single FTO GPX being run by a similarly small privateer team..

..similar things happened in different classes too, VW dominated their class for a season with the golf V6 vs the evo's and STi's, primarily due to huge factory backing..

a mate with only a replica CAI from ebay, an unbolted exhaust and a stripped interior celica, recently ran a 14.4 quarter and i have the slip.

of course the audm celica is no R, you would have to compare the eurdm type M celica to the R.

no doubt the celica is not a bad car and i agree it can look nice with the right mods, eg. the trial celica..

[lovesil]

as far as i know, Celica is slower to ITR only because a celica will more than often drop out of VVTi-L range after each gearshift. I guess this is the 6 spd gearbox's issue or a little short of rev.

[spmir1]

[QUOTE=szymonsta;49833]by 'revs' i meant how high it revs ie 7900rpm redline vs 8300rpm for the dc2r.
..but yes both are high revving in nature.

actually the 99, 00 celicas high lift period was from 6000 to 8350rpm and even then landing 1st to 2nd gear in high lift is a difficult task. Give it to a first time celica driver and i would be impressed for them to land it.
Now the later model celica had a high lift from 6200 to 7800rpm.... good luck landing that!!!!! with all these reviews. i.e 0 to 100, it is easy to see why reviews vary quite considerably. depending on the model, the driver, of course the driver counts in every car but very much more so in the celica. with a more experienced driver the stock celica is capable of sub 7s, 0 to 100. it is a light car, 141kw.
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[QUOTE=szymonsta;49833]
if ur referring to b18c from dc2r then i disagree..


[QUOTE=szymonsta;49833]
are you referring perhaps to the feeling of noticing the change from low-to high-cam profile? in this sense the dc5R's k20 is definitely less 'pronounced' in its transition than a B18C7. i would say the celica's transition is felt somewhere between the newer and older type-r's..


well has anyone got stock dyno graphs? celica change over feels much more then any VTEC to me.


btw i'm very impressed with the maturity of most of you guys on these threads! :-) i'm enjoying this!

[MrThanh]

well has anyone got stock dyno graphs? celica change over feels much more then any VTEC to me.


btw i'm very impressed with the maturity of most of you guys on these threads! :-) i'm enjoying this!

if that's the case, you'll probably see a dip in power on the dyno plot before vvti crossover. properly tuned, you shouldn't really be able to feel anything, just hear it

[vyets]

cheese wth u doing. trying to showoff celicas or something LOL?
you first "ask what they think" then obviously they aint impressed. then u go reply saying how good it is etc. etc. dosent make sense lol.

Anyway, I was a celica drive, I have raced dc2r's in 1/4 mile AND on the track, I've had my fare share of wins and losses. But at the end of the day the celica was targeted at the older generation that want to look good, with abit of punch. Hairdresser's car indeed. And yes the type R would be aimed at amature boyracer :P but who cares!? lol they are fantastic cars.

Yes Shifting from 1st to 2nd is hard but once you got the hang of it its piss easy I shift at 8000rpm and still can land easily above 6000rpm which is about our "VVTL-i/Lift" It is harder to drive, yes the rear IRS is lacking abit.

IMHO in a straight line, ITR has the edge over a celica because it is easier to drive. but on the track, its all about the driver, because it takes alot more skill then to just go straight lol. but with 2 equal drivers you all know the result :P

No matter how many times this topic is said and done at the end of the day the result is simple. ITR is better then ZZT celica. and they will NEVER be impressed with our cars no matter what u do cheese.

Yes there is a dip before Lift kicks in and here is my stock dyno graph. Of corse vvtli feels more aggressive then your ivtec -_-


I rekon the only thing i would call a "rival" to the dc2r is the fto gp version r, and the JDM TRD celica sports M. besides that the audm celica/fto aint nothing special.

[ChargeR]

Interesting discussion. I haven't ever raced a 7th gen celica, but going off what I saw at a recent dyno day with a bunch of corolla sportivos, the change over to VVTl-i on the 2zzge is much more pronounced. most of the dynos showed a strong peak like the one above. Here is my dyno plot for comparison:



the peak is much less prominent, although my car is modified.

I would have thought that both dc2 and dc5 type r's would have the measure of a celica in a straight line.